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Post by The One on Mon 21 Nov 2011, 15:30

steyn - 11 wickets at 22

philander - 14 wickets at 14

who is greater? discuss

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Post by JGK on Mon 21 Nov 2011, 15:31

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Post by Brass Monkey on Mon 21 Nov 2011, 15:36

Philander. He hasn't got one of those gashlord twattoos.
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Post by Henry on Mon 21 Nov 2011, 15:48

I'd like to see Philander bowl on a flattie before I dedicate a sack full of cum to him.
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Post by vilkrang on Mon 21 Nov 2011, 18:53

If Philander and Tahir turn out to be the real deal then on paper South Africa probably have the best team in the world. However it's days like today which make me question whether or not they'll be the force that they should be.

Not sure about Smith making the wrong decision with bringing Tahir back, if the umpire had raised the finger on that lbw appeal then it would have stood even if it had been reviewed. Very nearly a master stroke.

If anything I think he should have brought him on earlier though, would have been a big call with the new ball being taken but he did mop up the tail very effectively in the first innings and in the few balls he bowled he looked the most likely to grab a wicket.

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Post by Henry on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 01:30

South Africa already do have the best team in the World on paper. They've had the best team in the World on paper for the last 10 years. Remember when they played Aus in 2001-02 in what was widely considered to be the battle for World supremacy? Many people had the Saffies as favourites for that series, because on paper, they were the Boer's bollocks.

If cricket was played on paper, South Africa would be Earth's representatives against those feisty cricketers from Mars. If mental strength wasn't such a big factor in cricket, the Saffies would be storming across the cricketing World, burning houses, raping women, and taking everything of value they find, leaving shattered, traumatised cricket teams in their wake.

As it is they were no match for the dominant Aus team of 1995-2007, and are blowing their chance to emerge from the shadows and become the outright World number one after a nervous and sloppy display against a moderate Aus side. They may even let Sri Lanka win their first test in ages.

Just can't quite take the next step that paper suggests they should be cruising to.
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Post by SG on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 04:05

They may even let Sri Lanka win their first test in ages.
SL gotta be shittiest team amongst all test playing nations. They just don't have any steel in them. The way they collapse against a mediocre Pak team shows just that and that too in conditions tailor made for them.

They'd be like lambs for slaughter when they tour SA.

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Post by skully on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 04:10

Congrats to Philander on a remarkable start to his career. I wonder how he'll go in the subcontinent?
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Post by G.Wood on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 08:39

In the past two tests Philander has been as good as Anderson in the past two years
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Post by Brass Monkey on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:43

G.Wood wrote:In the past two tests Philander has been as good as Anderson in the past two years

Philander - ave 13.92

Anderson - ave 23.43

I'd say VP has been better, going on the above.
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Post by Henry on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:48

Surely Jimmy would have done better than Steyn yesterday. It was disappointing from Steyn, really. Expecially when he had gotten rid of Siddle and had four deliveries at young Cummins. He served up an average bouncer followed by some pretty harmess away swingers outside off stump with a brand new ball.

The fact that he didn't charge in and demolish the stumps of the last 2 Aussie batsmen in quick succession to win the test for the Saffies is the type of thing people remember when calculating ATG worthiness. Just a little thing, but a thing nonetheless.
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:50

Henry wrote:Surely Jimmy would have done better than Steyn yesterday. It was disappointing from Steyn, really. Expecially when he had gotten rid of Siddle and had four deliveries at young Cummins. He served up an average bouncer followed by some pretty harmess away swingers outside off stump with a brand new ball.

The fact that he didn't charge in and demolish the stumps of the last 2 Aussie batsmen in quick succession to win the test for the Saffies is the type of thing people remember when calculating ATG worthiness. Just a little thing, but a thing nonetheless.

Yeah, and Jimmikins takes a fiver every innings.

How many play and misses did Steyn induce yesterday?
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Post by Henry on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:52

taipan wrote:
Henry wrote:Surely Jimmy would have done better than Steyn yesterday. It was disappointing from Steyn, really. Expecially when he had gotten rid of Siddle and had four deliveries at young Cummins. He served up an average bouncer followed by some pretty harmess away swingers outside off stump with a brand new ball.

The fact that he didn't charge in and demolish the stumps of the last 2 Aussie batsmen in quick succession to win the test for the Saffies is the type of thing people remember when calculating ATG worthiness. Just a little thing, but a thing nonetheless.

Yeah, and Jimmikins takes a fiver every innings.

How many play and misses did Steyn induce yesterday?

The tail will play and miss every time against a swinging new ball, They're not good enough to edge it. It was a time to go for the stumps.
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Post by Brass Monkey on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:52

taipan wrote:

Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo

^ Just paraphrasing for you Trev, just in case you haven't time to read all of it.
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:54

Brass Monkey wrote:
taipan wrote:

Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo

^ Just paraphrasing for you Trev, just in case you haven't time to read all of it.

Where have I complained?

Just ridiculing Trev's attempts to justify his idiotic comment of last week.
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:55

Henry wrote:
taipan wrote:
Henry wrote:Surely Jimmy would have done better than Steyn yesterday. It was disappointing from Steyn, really. Expecially when he had gotten rid of Siddle and had four deliveries at young Cummins. He served up an average bouncer followed by some pretty harmess away swingers outside off stump with a brand new ball.

The fact that he didn't charge in and demolish the stumps of the last 2 Aussie batsmen in quick succession to win the test for the Saffies is the type of thing people remember when calculating ATG worthiness. Just a little thing, but a thing nonetheless.

Yeah, and Jimmikins takes a fiver every innings.

How many play and misses did Steyn induce yesterday?

The tail will play and miss every time against a swinging new ball, They're not good enough to edge it. It was a time to go for the stumps.

Was including the top order as well.
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Post by Brass Monkey on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:55

I just said you sobbed at the thought that, just for one day, that Jimmy may have outperformed Steyn.
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Post by Henry on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:57

And South Africa had been very disciplined with their lines up until the tea break, but there was a period after tea where Steyn lost patience against Haddin and Johnson and went into yorker-bouncer mode. Aus got away and it meant that the Saffie's fall back option (the draw aided by bad light) was lost. Another 15 mins and I reckon Billy would have taken them off.

Still, of course Steyn is a fantastic bowler. It was just a situation that REALLY mattered and he didn't quite show up.
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 09:58

Brass Monkey wrote:I just said you sobbed at the thought that, just for one day, that Jimmy may have outperformed Steyn.

No, Jimmy wasn't playing yesterday.

Anyway, it was the balsmen who cost us the test not the bowlers.
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:00

Henry wrote:And South Africa had been very disciplined with their lines up until the tea break, but there was a period after tea where Steyn lost patience against Haddin and Johnson and went into yorker-bouncer mode. Aus got away and it meant that the Saffie's fall back option (the draw aided by bad light) was lost. Another 15 mins and I reckon Billy would have taken them off.

Still, of course Steyn is a fantastic bowler. It was just a situation that REALLY mattered and he didn't quite show up.
Trev, it happens to every bowler, including Warne and McGrath.

Steyn bowled us back into the game on day 2.
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Post by Henry on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:05

Yeah true. And without his cameo with the bat, Aus would have cruised home.

I agree with you that the batsmen lost South Africa the game on day 4. AB played a loose drive, and once again the tail didn't wag. Morne Morkel frustrates me with the bat. He clearly has talent but he seems to put no price at all on his wicket, and is a bit naive.
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Post by Brass Monkey on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:12

taipan wrote:
No, Jimmy wasn't playing yesterday.

Anyway, it was the balsmen who cost us the test not the bowlers.

Well, it was the highest successful 4th innings run chase there... but I get what you're saying.
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:25

Henry wrote:Yeah true. And without his cameo with the bat, Aus would have cruised home.

I agree with you that the batsmen lost South Africa the game on day 4. AB played a loose drive, and once again the tail didn't wag. Morne Morkel frustrates me with the bat. He clearly has talent but he seems to put no price at all on his wicket, and is a bit naive.

Hopefully Gazza can sort him out. He should at least be reliable as Steyn.
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Post by Brass Monkey on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:28

Mornay couldn't remind me more of Steve Harmison if he tried.
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:32

Brass Monkey wrote:Mornay couldn't remind me more of Steve Harmison if he tried.

Rebecca?
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