Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by PlanetPakistan on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 05:03

Saw the highlights of his 135 vs PAK in 1992 against the 2 Ws and Mushtaq. I was quite impressed at how well he was picking Mushtaq, there were some close LBW shouts against the bowling of Waqar but still a brilliant innings especially considering his age( he was 39 at the time).
avatar
PlanetPakistan


Number of posts : 10285
Age : 30
Reputation : 4
Registration date : 2008-02-06
Flag/Background : pak

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by skully on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 05:10

About half an Alderman.
avatar
skully


Number of posts : 91035
Age : 105
Reputation : 199
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : baggy

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Brass Monkey on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 06:56

He had a period of absolute brilliance between 1990 and 1994... He scored 3779 runs @ 60.95 - 12 tons 16 half-tons. This against some really decent attacks.

Apart from that he was shite.
avatar
Brass Monkey


Number of posts : 44858
Age : 108
Reputation : 413
Registration date : 2007-09-02
Flag/Background : afg

View user profile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjWhbVWj9wQ

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by lardbucket on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 06:58

Best Chav to have played Tests?

lardbucket


Number of posts : 31915
Reputation : 155
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : baggy

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Brass Monkey on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 07:36

He's a plastichav at the very best.
avatar
Brass Monkey


Number of posts : 44858
Age : 108
Reputation : 413
Registration date : 2007-09-02
Flag/Background : afg

View user profile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjWhbVWj9wQ

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by lardbucket on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 07:39

a fantastichav, far better than the bald vaseline absorber or the gnome

lardbucket


Number of posts : 31915
Reputation : 155
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : baggy

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Brass Monkey on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 07:42

OR the gangly bear-named crock-knee
avatar
Brass Monkey


Number of posts : 44858
Age : 108
Reputation : 413
Registration date : 2007-09-02
Flag/Background : afg

View user profile http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjWhbVWj9wQ

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by beamer on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 11:32

Brass Monkey wrote:He had a period of absolute brilliance between 1990 and 1994... He scored 3779 runs @ 60.95 - 12 tons 16 half-tons. This against some really decent attacks.

Apart from that he was shite.
And that was at age 37 to 41. Just shows again how prematurely players retire or are pushed aside by selectors as past it.

beamer


Number of posts : 10043
Reputation : 50
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : eng

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Allan D on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 13:05

What is interesting about Gooch is that he became England's top runscorer despite missing 6 years out of his Test career - 3 years after his first 2 appearances in 1975 when he wasn't selected (which he used to transform himself from a flashy middle-order player into an aggressive opener) and 3 years between 1982 and 1985 when he was banned following his captaincy of the SAB rebel tour to South Africa.

2 innings stand out both against the West Indies - his 129* in the 2nd ODI of the series at Port of Spain in March 1986 against an attack of Garner, Patterson, Walsh & Marshall - an exercise in fearlessness - and his 154* in England's 2nd innings at Headingley in June 1991 - in terms of difficulty of the conditions, quality of attack and contribution to the result an innings that must rank among the top 10 Test innings of all time.

Although his captaincy, particularly against Australia, was criticised he nevertheless managed to break the lacuna of Test victories, both home and away, against the West Indies and he led England to a creditable WC final in 1992. Of all the players who began their careers after WWII he and Boycott are the two stand-out openers and only May and Dexter ever hit the ball harder more consistently.
avatar
Allan D


Number of posts : 6635
Reputation : 16
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Basil on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 13:15

Of all the England openers I've seen (and there have been more than enough), he's the best by some distance.
avatar
Basil


Number of posts : 15017
Age : 58
Reputation : 51
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : eng

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by lardbucket on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 13:16

And as regards Test cricket, Gooch was the antithesis of Bell ... because he started with a pair.

Coat ... got it.

lardbucket


Number of posts : 31915
Reputation : 155
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : baggy

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by JKLever on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 14:20

boomtish!

Goochie got better with age. It's a bit of a surprise he even got the chance to have those great seasons post 1990 because in 1989 he lost form altogether at the age of 36. Could hardly get a run in county cricket and alderman had him on toast.
avatar
JKLever


Number of posts : 27232
Reputation : 153
Registration date : 2007-08-06
Flag/Background : eng

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by beamer on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 14:32

He may well not have been picked again if it hadn't been for the second rebel Yarpie tour under Gatting. After that it was just him and Gower left as senior batsmen really and he was the obvious man to step into the captaincy. Nobody could have predicted that career-defining year in 1990 or the continued good form that would see his Test career extend into his 40s though.

We have always had good openers in my time of watching England - Atherton, Stewart, Trescothick, Vaughan, Strauss, Cook. None of them have (yet) surpassed Gooch's runs aggregate though.

beamer


Number of posts : 10043
Reputation : 50
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : eng

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by taipan on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:05

In answer to the question, some way behind Hobbs, Hutton and Boycott
avatar
taipan


Number of posts : 46096
Age : 116
Reputation : 116
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : saf

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by JGK on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:05

Those certainly ahead of Gooch:

Hobbs
Hutton
Sutcliffe
Boycott (I guess)

Those about the same:

Edrich
Washbrook (maybe)






JGK


Number of posts : 37333
Reputation : 122
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : jnt

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by WideWally on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:19

IMHO Gooch ranks last among England's greatest openers.
avatar
WideWally


Number of posts : 8351
Reputation : 62
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : aus

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by taipan on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:26

Just checking this out I came across the this outstanding blog
avatar
taipan


Number of posts : 46096
Age : 116
Reputation : 116
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : saf

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by embee on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:32

Red would explode correcting the typos in that blog
avatar
embee


Number of posts : 23249
Age : 50
Reputation : 228
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : aus

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by taipan on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:38

embee wrote:Red would explode correcting the typos in that blog

Shush.
avatar
taipan


Number of posts : 46096
Age : 116
Reputation : 116
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : saf

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by taipan on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:42

At his best when scoring 37 out of 49 at Sydny . and 62 at Brisbane.

You couldn't make this shit up.
avatar
taipan


Number of posts : 46096
Age : 116
Reputation : 116
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : saf

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Allan D on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:46

WideWally wrote:IMHO Gooch ranks last among England's greatest openers.

In the last 30 years I would only rank Atherton's 185* at The Wanderers in December 1995, which only saved a match, and, possibly, Mark Butcher's 173* at Headingley in August 2001 alongside Gooch's 1991 Headingley effort. In terms of ODI innings only Robin Smith's 167* at Edgbaston in May 1993, made in a losing cause, stands comparison with Gooch's 1986 Trinidad score.
avatar
Allan D


Number of posts : 6635
Reputation : 16
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by tricycle on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:49

taipan wrote:At his best when scoring 37 out of 49 at Sydny . and 62 at Brisbane.

You couldn't make this shit up.
That's Harsh on Thakor.

He could learn that a is a word.

tricycle


Number of posts : 12580
Age : 17
Reputation : 43
Registration date : 2011-12-17
Flag/Background : none

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Allan D on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 15:51

taipan wrote:At his best when scoring 37 out of 49 at Sydny . and 62 at Brisbane.

You couldn't make this shit up.

Both made on "sticky dogs" that are unknown today because of covered wickets. The latter innings was particularly outstanding as Hutton came in at No.8.
avatar
Allan D


Number of posts : 6635
Reputation : 16
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by PlanetPakistan on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 16:13

England is one team that hasn't produced a world class cricketer like Sachin, Wasim,Ambrose or Sami for at least 3 decades now.
Gooch has to be one of the top 5 English cricketers since 1977(Botham's debut).
avatar
PlanetPakistan


Number of posts : 10285
Age : 30
Reputation : 4
Registration date : 2008-02-06
Flag/Background : pak

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by taipan on Sun 17 Jun 2012, 16:16

PlanetPakistan wrote:England is one team that hasn't produced a world class cricketer like Sachin, Wasim,Ambrose or Sami for at least 3 decades now.
Gooch has to be one of the top 5 English cricketers since 1977(Botham's debut).

The worst attempted wind up of all time. (with apologies to horrie)
avatar
taipan


Number of posts : 46096
Age : 116
Reputation : 116
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : saf

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Where does Gooch rank among England's greatest openers?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 3 1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum