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Post by JGK on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 02:18

An Australian political element:

Turnbull targets Murdoch over guns

December 17, 2012 - 12:34PM
Judith Ireland

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull could get media mogul Rupert Murdoch on the phone, but via Twitter, millions of other people have been able to see their conversation.

A tweet sent from the Coalition frontbencher to the media mogul over the weekend - supporting tighter gun laws in the United States - has been retweeted more than 2400 times, with more than 1000 ‘‘favourites’’, as of Monday morning.

On Monday, Mr Turnbull estimated the tweet would now be on ‘‘several million devices’’.

On Saturday, in the wake of the shooting in Connecticut where 26 people were killed at an elementary school, Mr Turnbull replied to a tweet by Mr Murdoch.

‘‘Terrible news today. When will politicians find courage to ban automatic weapons? As in Oz after similar tragedy,’’ Mr Murdoch said.

Mr Turnbull then observed: ‘‘@rupertmurdoch I suspect they will find the courage when Fox News enthusiastically campaigns for it.’’

According to Twitter Counter, Mr Turnbull - who currently has about 136,000 Twitter followers - got an extra 1800 followers out of the comeback.

Mr Turnbull told Fairfax Media that he was surprised that his tweet had been retweeted so many times, but as a ‘‘keen observer of social media,’’ he was ‘‘always interested to see its viral nature’’.

‘‘Of course not every tweet is retweeted many times ... but there’s the potentiality for it,’’ he said, noting that the reach of people’s comments was determined by the reactions of others, not newspaper editors or TV producers.

‘‘[Social media is] messy and it's often abusive and all of that stuff but it is nonetheless a very interestingly democratic phenomenon.’’

Mr Turnbull said he didn’t know whether Mr Murdoch read his tweets: ‘‘I’ve got no idea whether he takes any notice of it at all.’’

But even though the Coalition’s communications spokesman said he never had any difficulty getting in touch with Mr Murdoch, having known him for almost 40 years, he has no plans to make a call this time around on gun law reform.

‘‘It sounds like he has the same views that I do,’’ Mr Turnbull said.

Mr Turnbull said that the media mogul had an extraordinary ability to influence political opinion in the United States, noting that the political demographic of Fox News viewers was predominantly Republican and not in favour of gun reform, and could be a ‘‘game changer’’ on the issue.

‘‘Is Fox News prepared to run the risk of alienating or offending some of its core demographic?’’ he asked.

‘‘The New York Times writes editorials calling for gun control; they’re kind of preaching to the choir.’’

Mr Murdoch’s initial tweet to his 379,800 followers has so far generated about 3028 retweets and 523 favourites.





Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/turnbull-targets-murdoch-over-guns-20121217-2bii3.html#ixzz2FGt052AJ

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by Anthony_Gonzales on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 03:54

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This distrust of the government is also the reason for the almost fanatical opposition to taxes in a large section of the populace.

This is also the reason why many believe they have to have guns, in order to protect them from the government - which could at some point come to kill them and their families, take away their possessions. It may sound unreal to many, but that is the strong belief of many.

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Sorry but that line of thinking is ludicrous. First of all the constitution written over 200 years ago by people who subjugated women and didn't consider black people to be people. Sorry if what they think may not be relevant in 2012.

Also do people really think they can take on the government? The government has nuclear weapons and the largest most well trained military force in the history of human kind. Some guys in Alabama and Mississippi can't fight the government if it came to that.

I am not saying whether the thinking is ridiculous or not. Just describing it. Besides, humans are largely emotional rather than logical beings.

There is also the matter of the shadow of the civil war still hanging over. The Yankees are still viewed by a large section of the south with deep suspicion, if not outright hostility. That is also a factor in "you will take my guns by prying them off my dead fingers".

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by horace on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 03:59

time for the sthn deep fried turkeys to evolve and catch up with the rest of the world
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by skully on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 04:28

I like MrK's solution. Build a wall around the US ans see how many are left in 10 years.
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by G.Wood on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 04:47

Isn't that a Kurt Russell film?
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by baggygreen on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 05:05

USA lives in modern time's now. There's been no need to take the law into their own hands since the late 19th century. There's no excuse about it, that list that was posted is a massive indictment of the failure of the country's whole culture.

This is the place that has believers of the actual L. Ron Hubbard (not Bell-end) and Joseph Smith.

PeterCS wrote:Does Anthony live in Wozzieland?

Low blow, low blow.
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by lardbucket on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 06:58

PeterCS wrote:Does Anthony live in Wozzieland?

or Waco?

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by Anthony_Gonzales on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 08:04

It seems some are incapable of understanding the difference between describing a viewpoint and sympathizing with it. Kind of like "you are with us or against us".

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by skully on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 08:08

Don't let 'em get to you A_G.
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by JGK on Mon 17 Dec 2012, 08:12

G.Wood wrote:Isn't that a Kurt Russell film?

Well the Sandy Hook killings are very reminiscent of the scene in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin kills all the Jedi younglings.

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by kkf on Tue 18 Dec 2012, 00:12

Anthony_Gonzales wrote:
kkf wrote:
Anthony_Gonzales wrote:

This distrust of the government is also the reason for the almost fanatical opposition to taxes in a large section of the populace.

This is also the reason why many believe they have to have guns, in order to protect them from the government - which could at some point come to kill them and their families, take away their possessions. It may sound unreal to many, but that is the strong belief of many.

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Sorry but that line of thinking is ludicrous. First of all the constitution written over 200 years ago by people who subjugated women and didn't consider black people to be people. Sorry if what they think may not be relevant in 2012.

Also do people really think they can take on the government? The government has nuclear weapons and the largest most well trained military force in the history of human kind. Some guys in Alabama and Mississippi can't fight the government if it came to that.

I am not saying whether the thinking is ridiculous or not. Just describing it. Besides, humans are largely emotional rather than logical beings.

There is also the matter of the shadow of the civil war still hanging over. The Yankees are still viewed by a large section of the south with deep suspicion, if not outright hostility. That is also a factor in "you will take my guns by prying them off my dead fingers".

I'm sorry I did not mean to come off as attacking you. I'm attacking that line of thinking expressed by people that I have also heard a lot.

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by JGK on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 00:19

Why the US will always be farked up. Check out the response to the question of why people need to have semi-automatic assault rifles at about 3.00





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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by skully on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 00:54

Dear God, Seppos are farked up the arse. Love his line about how he wished to God that the Principal had an M4 in her office so she could've pulled it out and "taken his head off". And this is an ex-Judge speaking. FMD. Shocked
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by lardbucket on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 06:11

I heard this idiot speak a couple of days after the shooting. These gun-ho Seppos are typically so FITH that they can't even conceive of the opposition argument ...

On a per capita rate, they're maybe 1000 times more likely to be shot dead than we are. Do they think it's because they're roughly 1000 times more FITH than we are, or might it be because of the guns? Blinkers.

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by The One on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 06:42

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

bit weird to see 9 of the top 10 countries being in the americas. is it due to their history of being established by the gun?

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by Big Dog on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 07:18

America must be the only Western country that has so little faith in its government that it clings on to an obviously outdated constitutional right the bare arms.
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by Henry on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 07:49

JGK wrote:Why the US will always be farked up. Check out the response to the question of why people need to have semi-automatic assault rifles at about 3.00





I thought Fox were looking to move away from giving air time to these Republican crazies?
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by Brass Monkey on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 08:42

Sick qunt. This is what I don't like - in essence he seems personable and conscientious yet in reality he's a warped, f*cked up qunt. In some regards, I'm hoping there is end of the world style destruction today, over there.
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by taipan on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 10:59

Dildos are illegal in Texas but guns aren't.

Probably explains the low number of dildo-related murders in the area.
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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by tricycle on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 11:18

Hatchet Harry's not a threat in Texas.

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by JGK on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 12:49

taipan wrote:Dildos are illegal in Texas but guns aren't.

Probably explains the low number of dildo-related murders in the area.


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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by Anthony_Gonzales on Thu 20 Dec 2012, 18:27

Big Dog wrote:America must be the only Western country that has so little faith in its government that it clings on to an obviously outdated constitutional right the bare arms.

Bear arms. Pointless nitpicking aside, yes, the distrust of the government is pretty much in the foundation of the US.

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On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court affirmed the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Heller v. District of Columbia.[3][4] The Court of Appeals had struck down provisions of the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 as unconstitutional, determined that handguns are "arms" for the purposes of the Second Amendment, found that the District of Columbia's regulations act was an unconstitutional banning, and struck down the portion of the regulations act that requires all firearms including rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock."

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by lardbucket on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 21:57

Just a week after this latest disaster, the NRA is publicly advocating 'armed guards in all schools and kindergartens' as a better solution to the US's horrific history of shooting deaths than restriction of high-powered automatic weapons.

The whole country is stuffed with logic like that.

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by JGK on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 22:03

Yep. I heard the interview with La Pierre on the radio this morning.

I think the best Obama can hope for is to reintroduce the ban or longer waiting times on semi-automatic weapons.

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Re: Another school shooting in the USA

Post by skully on Fri 21 Dec 2012, 22:07

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