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Post by Henry on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 07:55

Well, surely Steve Bucknor has umpired his last test match. I'm pretty sure he'll receive a call from Mal Speed in the next couple of days politely "asking" if he thinks he should retire.

Mark Benson is likely to be relegated to umpiring Bangladesh and Zimbabwe ODI's for a while.

Didn't see Harbhajan come out to shake hands with the Aussies. There is real tension there. He won't be found guilty of racial abuse.

The media in India is going to go beserk, and there is probably Bucknor and Benson effigies being burnt as I type.
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Post by doremi on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 07:57

Kumble should break the agreement between the captains, that you should take the fielders word.
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Post by tac on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 07:57

I bought shares in an effigy company on Wednesday . . . reaping the rewards as Itype.
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Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 07:59

If BCCI allows Bucknor to get away with this then I guess they should lose their right to represent Indian cricket.


Benson is an undiluted piece of carp. I think more Sri Lankan umpires should be officiating India-Aus matches.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Henry on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:00

The BCCI asked the Indian team to lodge a complaint against Bucknor after day 1. Right now, they probably want to lodge a dagger in his chest.
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Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:01

A billion Indians would want to lodge much more in his chest. He should be careful from now on.
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Post by Nath on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:01

Will India drop Harbhajan for the Perth Test, or include Pathan, thus playing 5 bowlers (in effect)? Jaffer and Yuvraj gone?

For Australia, will Tait come in for Johnson. Or will they play 4 quicks, and leave out Hogg? Is Hogg the right man for Australia's short-term spinning position. Fitness of Hayden and Symonds too.
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Re: The repercussions

Post by Henry on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:04

Who cares? If Bucknor is umpiring, may as well hand the game to Australia now.
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Post by prasad14 on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:05

Drop yuvraj and Jaffar.

Get Sehwag and Pathan.

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Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:06

ICC being controlled by Aus is the worst thing to happen for cricket.
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Post by Fred Nerk on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:06

Trev, FFS leave the whinging to the people who have something to whinge about.

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Post by Zat on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:09

Meanwhile, Daryl Hair, rated by the ICC as one of the best umpires in the business at his most recent review remains on the sidelines...

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Post by Henry on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:11

Taufel and Dar are the only 2 decent umpires going around. No coincidence surely that they are also the 2 youngest umpires.
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Post by Fred Nerk on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:11

Yuvraj and Jaffar ane surely gone for all money. Karthik and Sehwag have to come in, they couldn't do any worse.

Barring anything dramatic coming out of the hearing, Harbi has to play in Perth, yes just for the Ponting factor.

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Post by prasad14 on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:13

Bhajji has actually bowled decently on this tour.

I don't want him dropped for some seamer who would struggle to get a wicket.

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Post by furriner on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:13

Ok Henry here we go. Not just repercussions but takeaways from the game:

1. Yuvraj will not play a Test for India for a long time, if ever. He went to pieces. Dhoni keeps his place.

2. The 4 Indian batting greats (OK Laxman plus 3) have just got a new lease of life- deservedly so. I do not see the young guns stepping up. In the longer term we may be quite farked. Interesting discussion for another thread maybe

3. Umpiring in this Test, including referrals, will be examined even more closely. I do not see Bucknor going beyond this series.

4. Aussies 'over appeal' as much as Indians/Pakistanis/Lankans. So as I was discussing with ojitarian on another thread, lets put that myth to bed shall we?

5. I am not going to take Ponting's word on anything after that appeal of his off Dhoni. Not on anything. It is what it is.

6. I think the proposed system of taking a players word on catches is a non starter ( I would like a better look at the Clarke catch, so not commenting on him here)

7. India lost 3 wickets in the last over. What was that all about?


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Post by Henry on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:14

Imo, India will drop Jaffer and Yuvraj, and bring in Sehwag and Pathan, to have a 5 man attack with Dhoni batting at 6 and Pathan at 7.

Australia SHOULD drop Hogg, but because of sentiment, they wont drop him for Perth.
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Post by please don't yell on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:14

Yuvraj is a lame duck for sure.

One day cricket or facing sami and a crocked shoaib he looks the goods but this is real test cricket and he's not up to it.

I think India might go for 5 bowlers, bat dhoni at 6 pathan at 7 and drop yuvraj and jaffer for pathan/sehwag.

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Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:15

Zat wrote:Meanwhile, Daryl Hair, rated by the ICC as one of the best umpires in the business at his most recent review remains on the sidelines...


Hair is far better than blind bat Bucknor.
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Post by please don't yell on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:18

Aye well said Zat, and India do have to take some responsibility for axing him for political reasons.

It was the pressure placed on the ICC by the Asian block that lead to hair getting the arse, so if you're going to dump a quality umpire because he's not afraid to do the right thing then his replacements might be politically more acceptable but not as good on the actual pitch.

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Post by *Buckaroo* on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:18

Henry wrote:Imo, India will drop Jaffer and Yuvraj, and bring in Sehwag and Pathan, to have a 5 man attack with Dhoni batting at 6 and Pathan at 7.

Australia SHOULD drop Hogg, but because of sentiment, they wont drop him for Perth.


You said Yuvraj should not be dropped for Sydney. I said that would have been a poor idea.

From the way he was fielding, it seemed clear that he was not comfortable with the softer Australian grounds. It worsened his knee problem, and he lost confidence even in the way he fielded.
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Post by Zat on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:19

furriner wrote:Ok Henry here we go. Not just repercussions but takeaways from the game:

1. Yuvraj will not play a Test for India for a long time, if ever. Dhoni keeps his place.
Probably, but there has to be some sort of view to the future...

2. The 4 Indian batting greats have just got a new lease of life- deservedly so. I do not see the young guns stepping up. In the longer term we may be quite farked. Interesting discussion for another thread maybe
And it was a delight to see Laxman and Tenndulkar in full flight in this match. Poetry in motion.

3. Umpiring in this Test, including referrals, will be examined even more closely. I do not see Bucknor going beyond this series.
The referral system, including 'challenges' will be a hot topic over the next few weeks. I still can't see anything wrong with challenges. Bucknor was atrocious, but anyone who wants to blame it on racsim is just stupid.

4. Aussies 'over appeal' as much as Indians/Pakistanis/Lankans. So as I was discussing with ojitarian on another thread, lets put that myth to bed shall we?
This has been the case for a very long time indeed. And I think the Aussie have actually got worse in recent years.

5. I am not going to take Ponting's word on anything after that appeal of his off Dhoni. Not on anything. It is what it is.
Well, Ponting's a dickhead, so that makes sense.

6. I think the proposed system of taking a players word on catches is a non starter ( I would like a better look at the Clarke catch, so not commenting on him here)
These days, yes. Had it been agreed upon a few years ago, it might be a different story, but who knows? But I don't think it's a recent phenomenon.

7. India lost 3 wickets in the last over. What was that all about?
Maybe the choking ability of the SAffies you've appointed as coach is already rubbing off.

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Post by Fred Nerk on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:20

Hogg will play in Perth. He's the best available.

Johnno might struggle to stay in but I fear that in the areas where he is merely bad, Spud will be bloody awful.

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Post by prasad14 on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:21

please don't yell wrote:Aye well said Zat, and India do have to take some responsibility for axing him for political reasons.

It was the pressure placed on the ICC by the Asian block that lead to hair getting the arse, so if you're going to dump a quality umpire because he's not afraid to do the right thing then his replacements might be politically more acceptable but not as good on the actual pitch.

BCCI is a joke.

Donig what they did to Hair for doing his job just came back to bite them.

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Post by Henry on Sun 06 Jan 2008, 08:22

Yuvraj deserved to play in Sydney, but he hasn't done anything, and now it's time to look elsewhere. I feel he has too much talent not to be back. Maybe he needs to look at himself in the mirror and decide how good he wants to be.
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