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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Mon 25 Nov 2013, 08:02

skully wrote:S03E08. Pedestrian with some build up at the end – as usual. [sigh]

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Carrie & Quinn go over files looking for a connection to Leland Bennett in the Langley bombing. Carrie wonders out loud where Fara is.

At the White House, Senator Arsehole knifes Saul prior to his briefing with Chief of Staff, Mike Higgins. Saul is unphased. He admits to the Mike that he knows he’s out of the CIA when Lockhart is in charge. Mike likes the briefing.

Mira breaks it off with the boy-toy to give Saul another chance. Saul & Carrie have a spat over Saul’s lack of effort with Javadi in finding out who bombed Langley. Quinn suggests Dar Adal approach Leland Bennett.

Fara takes a sick day to tend her ill father. He thinks she works at a bank.

Adal’s meeting with Bennett doesn’t go well. Bennett’s guy, Franklin, demands answers from Carrie on Adal’s threat about an investigation into the Firm. Carrie calls Saul, saying it’s on, & he advises to wait 24 hrs, then tell the Firm the CIA knows who the bomber is.

Carrie has an ultrasound. Yup, there’s a little Brody on the way. She then has her 1st pre-natal appointment – at 13 weeks. Was she hoping it was a mirage?

Fara gets a visit from CIA Inspector General & gets a rev up about 2 sick days & cruising by the house of horrors. She’s on thin ice. He father now knows she’s working for the CIA & ain’t happy.

Carrie feeds info to Bennett’s guy, Franklin, who confirms the bomber is still in the country. He advises Carrie to lay low. He calls Bennett, & they want to get the guy out of the country with a new ID. The CIA is listening. Franklin sends a text to the bomber.

Mira arrives home as her toy-boy is setting up surveillance on her PC. Odd that Saul didn't suspect he might have been dodgy.

Under heavy surveillance, Franklin goes to a motel & calls the bomber, & tells him his position may have been compromised. He is shit scared. Franklin puts a silencer on his gun. Carrie freaks out. Adal says keeping Franklin in the game is more important than the bomber’s life & orders all teams to stand down. All do except Carrie.

She storms towards Franklin raving that Saul promised her the bomber. Adal authorises a shot on Carrie. Quinn takes her down!! Franklin kills the bomber, then dissolves the body.

The command team race Carrie to a hospital. She’s pissed off.

Saul, who told Mira he had to go away for a few days, shows up at the Tower of David in Brazil. He finds Brody in the room he was chucked in in episode 3, sitting in his own filth & looking half dead. Er, where to from here?
Soooo...
Spoiler:
... the lawyer, Bennett, who is squeaky clean and untouchable, apparently, is also clumsy enough to employ a known associate (to the CIA) as an assassin. Okaydokierightyouarethen.

And Mrs Saul's play thing just so happens to have been a spy all along. Wondered where that was heading. Not really, actually - couldn't give a shit about this creaking subplot. You'd think the acting director of the CIA would have some kind of security system protecting his PC.

Given that Fara is apparently being paid in headscarves, perhaps Saul's only got the free version of Norton that came pre-installed. Those damned CIA cutbacks...

Is it Brazil Brody's in? I thought it was Venezuela. It's been so long, I've forgotten the minor details.

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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 25 Nov 2013, 08:10

Aye, D...

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...the show might already be approaching Jump the Shark territory. The plot lines are getting increasingly full of holes.

It could be Venezuela. As you say, it's hard to keep up. Those South American countries all look the same to me. Cool 

Just about to watch S03E09.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Tue 26 Nov 2013, 10:29

S03E09. Decent if long ep that put some meat on the bones of Saul’s plan.

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Carrie wakes up in hospital – it was just a flesh wound. The bub’s OK.

Brody is in full-stage cold turkey from his “enforced” heroin addiction in the Tower of David hole. Adal is concerned that Brody will not be ready (whatever for?) prior to Senator Arsehole’s appointment the CIA head in 7 days. The doc says the pain of his recovery will get worse, but Saul says he’s to be kept alive at all costs.

Senator Arsehole (SA) visits Carrie & wants to know what Saul is up to. She gives him the bird but is shocked when he says Saul was in Caracas* (as we know, getting Brody).

Carrie duly informs Saul of SA’s visit, & he & Adal are worried that he knew of Saul’s trip. Saul seems more worried that Carrie knows. He gets Adal to organise a sweep of their houses to see if SA is spying on them.

Concerned with Brody’s recovery progress, Adal suggests a banned drug ibogaine, but is warned against it because of nasty hallucinatory side effects. It comes to pass, with Brody hacking himself with a broken chair leg. But he comes through the journey but is weak.

The sweep turns up the toy boy’s bug at Saul’s. The sweepers reckon it’s Mossad, & get pics of the toy boy.

Saul offers Brody a deal to dig himself out of the deep legal/military hole he’s in. Brody’s just wants to die, but Saul won’t give up on him. Then he plays the Carrie card. She is royally shat off with Saul but they do their normal wise-Daddy-calms-angry-daughter shtick, & wins her over with his plans to take down the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, General Akbari, who Saul sees as the West’s greatest impediment to peace. Brody is to seek political asylum as the Langley bomber & then take Akbari out, with Javadi to ascend to his position, then work for the CIA.

Saul is not happy to see the pics of the Israeli intel toy boy, but is chuffed at ones showing him taking to Senator Arsehole at a diner.

Carrie takes Brody to a motel were Dana is working as a maid. Brody spazzes out attempting to get out to see his little girl but is detained.

Saul confronts SA with the pics of him & Israeli intel toy boy. Saul knows he’s got him cold, so brokers a deal to get enough time for his Iranian plan to work.

After Carrie convinces him to do Saul’s bidding, the CIA mission team whips him into Marine shape in 16 days (lucky Saul bought extra time). But they get him ready & they brief him on the mission.

Brody now wants to see Dana. He convinces Carrie & she swings it. On the way, she tells Brody of Dana’s suicide attempt. The meeting doesn’t go well, with Dana rejecting him big time. Gutted, but he says he will come back from Teheran for her & Carrie. Saul bites Carrie’s head off for taking him off base. She tells him to have a little faith.

Ep ends with Brody heading off on the chopper for the mission.

* You were right, JD, Venezuela it was. Cool
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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 08:46

skully wrote:S03E09. Decent if long ep that put some meat on the bones of Saul’s plan.

Spoiler:

Saul confronts SA with the pics of him & Israeli intel toy boy. Saul knows he’s got him cold, so brokers a deal to get enough time for his Iranian plan to work.  
That was a load of shit, in an otherwise decent enough episode.
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Why wouldn't Saul force the senator to withdraw his candidacy? Why would he place such a strict timescale on his Brody plan coming off when he could've bargained his way into the director's seat and overseen the whole operation, however long it took? Makes no sense at all - he's still going to lose his job to someone who he believes is incapable of running the CIA, while he still has "assets" out in the field, in the shape of Javadi (supposedly the most important pawn in the history of espionage), heavily dependant on their competence.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 09:03

Dello wrote:
That was a load of shit, in an otherwise decent enough episode.
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Why wouldn't Saul force the senator to withdraw his candidacy? Why would he place such a strict timescale on his Brody plan coming off when he could've bargained his way into the director's seat and overseen the whole operation, however long it took? Makes no sense at all - he's still going to lose his job to someone who he believes is incapable of running the CIA, while he still has "assets" out in the field, in the shape of Javadi (supposedly the most important pawn in the history of espionage), heavily dependant on their competence.
Disagree, D.

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Senator Arsehole asked him outright, "why aren't you destroying me with this?" Saul said "because it would humiliate my wife (it was her toy boy that spied - she would be gutted to find she was used to spy on Saul by his new boss) and it would damage the agency, badly." The Arsehole now knows how sharp and clever Saul is, and Saul can effectively control his boss. And Saul prefers the on the ground operational stuff anyway.
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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 09:13

That was flimsy. It was the threat of exposing the senator that Saul used as his bargaining chip in getting the weirdly specific extension. The subsequent explanation was just the writers flinging some bullshit into the mix to justify not wrapping up this subplot there and then.

It would damage the agency? Was it not Saul who set up the whole Carrie-was-sleeping-with-Brody-and-is-mental senate hearing hoopla for the public's consumption? No, that wouldn't have been damaging at all - putting it out there that the man who bombed Langley was having an affair with a top agent.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 02 Dec 2013, 21:09

Meh, a lowly operative having an affair with a "double agent" (isn't that standard intel practice?) is a bit different to the new head of the CIA being caught spying on his most senior officer and formerly most likely to be CIA director.

Anywho, I don't know why I'm arguing on behalf of Homeland writers given the overall tenuousness of many of the plotlines this season.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Tue 03 Dec 2013, 03:49

S03E10. Meh – more "slow with some WTF moments".

Spoiler:
Very slow – I guess it was meant to be tense – build up to Brody getting to the Iran/Iraq border.

His crew gets pinned down by an Iraqi (or was it Iranian – I’m farked if I know) patrol after Brody’s crew hit a land mine. Saul reluctantly calls an abort & leaves the room, thinking it’s all over. Brody refuses. He makes a run for the border (with a crew member helping) but is stopped by an Iranian military team (I guess they came running after the almighty racket near the border).

The Iranians seem to buy the line that Brody is part of an Al Qaeda attempt to get him asylum in Iran. Saul sits gutted at his desk, but Carrie comes in smiling, telling him that Brody made it. Saul’s all “I’ll be damned”.

Carrie gets a reluctant Fara’s agreement to use an Uncle’s Teheran place as a safe house.  Ep ends with Javadi entering Brody’s cell, shooting his mate & saying “we’re off to Teheran”.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 09 Dec 2013, 08:07

S03E11. OK, although there were plenty of WTF leaping shark moments.

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Javadi sets up a Brody hit on Akbari (using a cyanide syringe provided by Javadi from Carrie), but it goes awry & he ends up being vetted by Abu Nazir’s widow (who's close to Brody). In the street, he publicly declares he is seeking asylum & is greeted as a hero.

The Iranians use Brody as propaganda against the US, & he seems to have changed sides. After Brody avoids several extraction opportunities, Senator Arsehole orders his death, but Saul doesn’t seem convinced, but is forced to concur. He orders Carrie out of Tehran, but knows she’ll disobey. Saul orders Brody’s assassination.

Carrie calls Brody via a smuggled phone & warns him that he’s in the CIA’s crosshairs. Brody disappears into the crowd as the swarthy hit team moves in. Senator Arsehole suspects Carrie (ya think, SA??). Saul is pissed & gives her a spray.

Brody goes back to Widow Nazir’s & gets an audience with Akbari on the grounds that he has vital news about Javadi. Bizarrely, it’s a private meeting & Akbari is all fan boy. Brody spills that he was to kill him to allow CIA stooge Javadi to take his job, then bashes & smothers Akbari. He calls Carrie and says “get me out of here”.
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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Mon 09 Dec 2013, 08:13

skully wrote:S03E10. Meh – more "slow with some WTF moments".

Spoiler:
Very slow – I guess it was meant to be tense – build up to Brody getting to the Iran/Iraq border.

His crew gets pinned down by an Iraqi (or was it Iranian – I’m farked if I know) patrol after Brody’s crew hit a land mine. Saul reluctantly calls an abort & leaves the room, thinking it’s all over. Brody refuses. He makes a run for the border (with a crew member helping) but is stopped by an Iranian military team (I guess they came running after the almighty racket near the border).

The Iranians seem to buy the line that Brody is part of an Al Qaeda attempt to get him asylum in Iran. Saul sits gutted at his desk, but Carrie comes in smiling, telling him that Brody made it. Saul’s all “I’ll be damned”.

Carrie gets a reluctant Fara’s agreement to use an Uncle’s Teheran place as a safe house.  Ep ends with Javadi entering Brody’s cell, shooting his mate & saying “we’re off to Teheran”.
Yeah, they tried to ramp up the tension, but I mostly couldn't give two shits the whole time. We didn't know any of Brody's team, we don't know the details of the wider plan or how crucial or not Brody is to its success, and we've barely even seen Brody over the course of the season.

Why is this important again?
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 09 Dec 2013, 08:18

Aye, I think they are milking dying ratings.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Tue 17 Dec 2013, 10:46

S03E12. Season finale. Much like the rest of Season 3, ponderous with some tense bits. Had an end of the series feel to it.

Spoiler:
Brody cleans up after killing Akbari, then just strolls out, with the only hold up a guard insisting he give his security pass back.

Akbari’s assistant eventually wanders in & finds him dead, but there’s no commotion until Brody’s car is at the front gate. He holds a pistol to the driver’s head & says go.

Carrie calls Saul, who’s packing up his office, with the good news but he doesn’t believe it. He’s more concerned that she’s still in Iran. Carrie demands an extraction plan for Brody, but Saul needs to confirm Akbari’s death.

Brody goes to a designated meeting place but Carrie is not there. She has slipped away to make sure Brody wasn’t followed. They head off for a safe house in her car.

Saul gets confirmation from Javadi of Akbari’s death but J demands Brody’s whereabouts so he can have him in an Iranian court, otherwise it will weaken his chance to replace Akbari. Adal believes giving up both Carrie & Brody is a better option than the odds of them making the safe house. Saul disagrees & demands the extraction plan be initiated.

As Brody broods about killing Akbari, Saul calls Carrie at the safe house, telling her the extraction team should be there before sunrise. Saul says he’ll be awaiting them in Germany.

Carrie & Brody have a blue over the morals of his “redemption” & life ahead, then she decides then is the right time to tell him she’s preggers. Brody mellows & reckons the only sane thing he has left to hold onto is life with her.

Carrie & Brody run from the safe house to the early morning sounds of choppers, only to find an Iranian squad outside. Brody is taken & they leave Carrie behind. She calls Saul who realises his plan has been pulled. It was Adal’s idea. He seethes as Senator Arsehole tells him he’s out.

Carrie is taken from her hotel to Javadi. He tells her Brody has been tried & sentenced to publically hang. He says she has succeeded in letting everyone see the real Nick Brody, but he has to die.

Carrie gets a phone call, Brody says he’s at peace & this is the end of the matter. He begs Carrie not to witness his execution.

Carrie calls Saul but he says it’s too late for any last minute plan to save Brody. She is a wreck.

At the pre-dawn execution Brody is strung up but hangs on long enough for Carrie to call out to him, before he jerks a couple of times and dies. So if there is a S4, it will be sans-Brody.

FF to 4 month later, on an island villa, Mira reads front page news that Iran has opened their nuclear program for inspection in return for lifting of sanctions. Saul’s plan has worked, & he’s chuffed.

At Langley, Director Arsehole offers a much more preggers Carrie a posting as head of the Istanbul office to make running Javadi easier.  She & he then have a disagreement over Brody deserving a commemorative star at Langley.

The show then meanders through Carrie’s concerns about being a mother, with her threatening to give it up at birth. Then at the commemorative service Carrie says goodbye to Saul & as she leaves later after a briefing, draws a star for Brody on the commemorative wall.
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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Mon 23 Dec 2013, 08:17

skully wrote:S03E12. Season finale. Much like the rest of Season 3, ponderous with some tense bits. Had an end of the series feel to it.

Spoiler:
Brody cleans up after killing Akbari, then just strolls out, with the only hold up a guard insisting he give his security pass back.

Akbari’s assistant eventually wanders in & finds him dead, but there’s no commotion until Brody’s car is at the front gate. He holds a pistol to the driver’s head & says go.

Carrie calls Saul, who’s packing up his office, with the good news but he doesn’t believe it. He’s more concerned that she’s still in Iran. Carrie demands an extraction plan for Brody, but Saul needs to confirm Akbari’s death.

Brody goes to a designated meeting place but Carrie is not there. She has slipped away to make sure Brody wasn’t followed. They head off for a safe house in her car.

Saul gets confirmation from Javadi of Akbari’s death but J demands Brody’s whereabouts so he can have him in an Iranian court, otherwise it will weaken his chance to replace Akbari. Adal believes giving up both Carrie & Brody is a better option than the odds of them making the safe house. Saul disagrees & demands the extraction plan be initiated.

As Brody broods about killing Akbari, Saul calls Carrie at the safe house, telling her the extraction team should be there before sunrise. Saul says he’ll be awaiting them in Germany.

Carrie & Brody have a blue over the morals of his “redemption” & life ahead, then she decides then is the right time to tell him she’s preggers. Brody mellows & reckons the only sane thing he has left to hold onto is life with her.

Carrie & Brody run from the safe house to the early morning sounds of choppers, only to find an Iranian squad outside. Brody is taken & they leave Carrie behind. She calls Saul who realises his plan has been pulled. It was Adal’s idea. He seethes as Senator Arsehole tells him he’s out.

Carrie is taken from her hotel to Javadi. He tells her Brody has been tried & sentenced to publically hang. He says she has succeeded in letting everyone see the real Nick Brody, but he has to die.

Carrie gets a phone call, Brody says he’s at peace & this is the end of the matter. He begs Carrie not to witness his execution.

Carrie calls Saul but he says it’s too late for any last minute plan to save Brody. She is a wreck.

At the pre-dawn execution Brody is strung up but hangs on long enough for Carrie to call out to him, before he jerks a couple of times and dies. So if there is a S4, it will be sans-Brody.

FF to 4 month later, on an island villa, Mira reads front page news that Iran has opened their nuclear program for inspection in return for lifting of sanctions. Saul’s plan has worked, & he’s chuffed.

At Langley, Director Arsehole offers a much more preggers Carrie a posting as head of the Istanbul office to make running Javadi easier.  She & he then have a disagreement over Brody deserving a commemorative star at Langley.

The show then meanders through Carrie’s concerns about being a mother, with her threatening to give it up at birth. Then at the commemorative service Carrie says goodbye to Saul & as she leaves later after a briefing, draws a star for Brody on the commemorative wall.

Do they even have a show left?

Spoiler:
I was 99% sure this would be Brody's last season, as I'd read months ago that the lead actor in a cable "ratings hit" had already signed up for another show but everyone was sworn to secrecy as they didn't want to signpost his death. As the weeks rumbled on, and Damien Lewis barely featured, it seemed pretty obvious that he was the one. I mean, where else could they go with Brody? He couldn't go back to America and have any kind of life, nor stroll around the Middle East as a known assassin/terrorist. He was all done.

But the weird thing is how everyone else seems to have run out of story as well. Saul's out of the CIA. Quinn struggled to find anything to do in the final three or four episodes. Carrie's off to Istanbul, apparently. And they're not going to set the next series in Turkey, are they.

It seems as though Homeland's been renewed for a fourth series, though. So... Dana vows to avenge her father by taking on the CIA and trying to whinge them to death? Carrie's baby becomes a double agent for Al-Qaeda?

Or will Brody's hanging turn out to be a cunning ruse, faked to shore up Javadi's position, and he's really rotting in a cell somewhere, planning to wreak revenge on America, again, for abandoning him, again?

F*ck knows. I'm backing "it was all just a bad dream", and season 4 starts with Carrie waking up from her electro-shock therapy from the season one finale.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 23 Dec 2013, 08:21

Your 2nd last paragraph is the only way this show has a hope of not disappearing half way through next season due to dead ratings.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 06 Oct 2014, 11:15

Well, it did get another season...

S04E01-02 aired overnight in the States.

Spoiler:
There's no Brody return. He's dead and buried. Maybe he'll be in flashbacks.

Carrie is in Kabul and due to excellent intel is known as the Drone Queen for taking out lots of Taliban targets. But it all goes to shit when dodgy intel sees her order a strike on a key target, but also takes out his whole family (except a teenage nephew) by bombing a wedding. The kid's iPhone survives and has some wedding video uploaded to Youtube by a mate. A key operative (Peter Russo from House of Cards) had a dodgy trade deal going with secrets for secrets, and is made in the street, ambushed and murdered.

Carrie and Quinn are recalled to Washington. CIA head Lockheart is a weak lightweight. Saul is now in private enterprise. Carrie finds out about the Lockheart-sanctioned secrets for intel deal and holds it over him to get a posting back to Islamabad. She's actually running from motherhood. Little Brody (same beady eyes and red hair) is being raised by Carrie's sister, who is royally pissed with news of Carrie's return to Pakistan. Saul will help Carrie in his new job, and Quinn is farked in the head.
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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Tue 07 Oct 2014, 22:08

Was it always this boring?

Jesus. Had to fast forward through all the "Carrie struggles to be mother" bollocks.

So, Quinn's just taken on Brody's role as the troubled assassin. That's not lazy writing at all.

Not a promising beginning to post-Damien Lewis Homeland...
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Tue 07 Oct 2014, 22:11

Agree, D. Thought Quinn's encounter with the Hotel manager and the next morning was the best part of the show.
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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Tue 07 Oct 2014, 22:18

He drank so much he became Shallow Hal.
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Re: Homeland

Post by LeFromage on Tue 14 Oct 2014, 01:04

Bit better this week, I thought. No "Carrie struggles to be a mother" shit, and more Homeland-y shit.

The actor playing Quinn was seriously sucking in his gut when he had to go shirtless, though. Made me chuckle.
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Re: Homeland

Post by horace on Tue 14 Oct 2014, 01:07

what happened to the ranga bloke who was either a terrororist/patriot?
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Tue 14 Oct 2014, 08:49

Was hanged in the last episode of season 3.
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Tue 14 Oct 2014, 10:11

Dello wrote:Bit better this week, I thought. No "Carrie struggles to be a mother" shit, and more Homeland-y shit.

The actor playing Quinn was seriously sucking in his gut when he had to go shirtless, though. Made me chuckle.
Yeah, pretty good.

Spoiler:
I reckon there is some serious Quathison gonna go down. Clearly Quinn was talking about Carrie in his sleep after his last fling with Big Bertha.
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Re: Homeland

Post by horace on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 00:15

skully wrote:Was hanged in the last episode of season 3.


really?...by the seppos?...so did the show reveal whether he was wearing a white or black hat?
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Wed 15 Oct 2014, 02:27

No, he was hanged by the Iranians as part of a CIA deal to help the turned (to the US) Javadi get up the diplomatic ladder in Iran.

Brody was a brain-washed black hat that turned white, mainly because of Carrie Mathison's vagina. Cool
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Re: Homeland

Post by skully on Mon 20 Oct 2014, 10:32

S04E04. Meh.

Spoiler:
Carrie gets a lead to the ISI guy who orchestrated Sandy's murder, but he twigs he's being cased and cuts the feed.

Carrie's crew follow Aayan, who hooks up with a nurse to get some hospital drugs, then meets up with the supposed dead terrorist uncle Haqqani, which changes the game for Carrie. Why would Haqqani set up his fake death?

Meanwhile the Ambassador's husband is implicated for supplying Sandy with intelligence right off his wife's computer.

Ep ends with a creepy Carrie-seduces shy Pakistani boy scene.
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