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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by lardbucket on Sat 14 Jun 2014, 22:14

You mean person, you.

Just watched this on Ewetube:

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/6/13/5807922/robin-van-persie-goal-spain-netherlands

Isn't van persie offside when the cross is provided?

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by lardbucket on Sat 14 Jun 2014, 23:00

[Zimmy]Italy v England in the gayball. Hoping for an energy-sapping draw with a swathe of career-ending injuries on both sides[/Zimmy]



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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by Big Dog on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 00:03

One all at the half. England looking more threatening in attack. The moment too much for one of England's trainers who was taken off on a stretcher.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by Paul Keating on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 00:27

Brass Monkey wrote:It doesn't particularly tickle the taste buds.

It is turning out to be a pretty exciting game.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by JGK on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 00:30

Paul Keating wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:It doesn't particularly tickle the taste buds.

It is turning out to be a pretty exciting game.

Agree. Terrific game.

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by lardbucket on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 00:32

not bad at all

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by JGK on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 00:33

England don't deserve to lose this.

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by lardbucket on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 00:33

moral victory?

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by tricycle on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 04:28

Last time I'm waking up at 3:30 hoping that the Italians lose....

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by Big Dog on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 08:00

Rooney Laid a couple of eggs. Missed a near open goal & sent a corner at rightangles.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 08:20

JGK wrote:England don't deserve to lose this.

They do. They wrote up the rules that meant scoring less goals than the opposition equals defeat.

Only got themselves to blame.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 08:22

Merlin wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:Well, that was a 3-0 thrashing if ever I saw one. Columbia are looking pretty good...

. . . so are the Cloggies!
Took them at 8's on a tenner.
Fingers crossed . . .

The Dutch are classic "here for a good time, not a long time" fare. They start strong and fade.

No bench strength. Lose Van Persie or Robben and they're f*cked. Dirk Kuyt's in the squad, FFS.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 08:25

Big Dog wrote:One all at the half. England looking more threatening in attack. The moment too much for one of England's trainers who was taken off on a stretcher.

He jumped up when they scored, landed on a water bottle, dislocated his ankle, out of the world cup.

He's the physio. Diagnosed himself on the spot. Guy's a pro.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 08:26

lardbucket wrote:You mean person, you.

Just watched this on Ewetube:

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/6/13/5807922/robin-van-persie-goal-spain-netherlands

Isn't van persie offside when the cross is provided?

Pique (the centre back who isn't nearest to Van Persie) played him onside.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 08:28

Everyone being weirdly positive about England losing to a side that couldn't beat Luxembourg the other day.

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by Brass Monkey on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:06

Defensively England look shot, Baines and Johnson were constantly caught out of position, weak against set pieces and nervous when the ball was going through the middle. But so what, the reason the full-backs were constantly out of position was because we were playing pretty expansively further up the field. It's incredibly refreshing, regardless of the result. I'm used to us just playing tight, boring, circumspect tournament football. It's nice to have a team that throws caution to the wind a bit. The front 4 looked lively and threatening. We battered them for the last 10-15 minutes. Lovely stuff IMO.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by vilkrang on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:22

After all of the shithouse performances I've seen from England in my lifetime it's weird to not be too fussed about seeing our worst start result wise to a world cup in my lifetime.

It was good to watch. Can't remember the last time that was the case. 2002?

We'll probably f*ck it all up against Uruguay and be sent packing but at least there is some cause for optimism for the future.

The thing is, we're never going to win anything. So rather than play shite tournament football that gets us no where and then lose, we may as well play exciting football and lose.

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:41

Brass Monkey wrote:Defensively England look shot, Baines and Johnson were constantly caught out of position, weak against set pieces and nervous when the ball was going through the middle. But so what, the reason the full-backs were constantly out of position was because we were playing pretty expansively further up the field. It's incredibly refreshing, regardless of the result. I'm used to us just playing tight, boring, circumspect tournament football. It's nice to have a team that throws caution to the wind a bit. The front 4 looked lively and threatening. We battered them for the last 10-15 minutes. Lovely stuff IMO.

Battered them and created f*ck all. The only reason England were able to attack at the end was because Italy decided to close the game out and settle for 2-1. Which they achieved comfortably.

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by JGK on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:43

Who would England most likely play if they come second in their group?

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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:44

vilkrang wrote:After all of the shithouse performances I've seen from England in my lifetime it's weird to not be too fussed about seeing our worst start result wise to a world cup in my lifetime.

It was good to watch. Can't remember the last time that was the case. 2002?

We'll probably f*ck it all up against Uruguay and be sent packing but at least there is some cause for optimism for the future.

The thing is, we're never going to win anything. So rather than play shite tournament football that gets us no where and then lose, we may as well play exciting football and lose.

It was nice that they tried to attack. It's definitely progress from Euro 2012 when England played for penalties from the first minute and the long hoof up to Andy Carroll was their only tactic.

Just a shame that they weren't very good at it. Sterling and Sturridge showed promise, Rooney and Welbeck were bog ordinary.

I don't even think they'll beat Costa Rica.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by LeFromage on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:46

JGK wrote:Who would England most likely play if they come second in their group?

Winner of group C (Columbia, Ivory Coast, Japan, Greece).

It's a cracking draw, frankly.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by PeterCS on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:52

But that looks some way off at the moment.

(Like England's shooting.)
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by Brass Monkey on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 10:56

Dello wrote:
Battered them and created f*ck all. The only reason England were able to attack at the end was because Italy decided to close the game out and settle for 2-1. Which they achieved comfortably.


There was some poor finishing, but we had some opportunities. We had 18 shots, 6 or so in the last 15. If we didn't snatch at them, they may have troubled the keeper.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by Basil on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 11:11

Was there ever a worse performance behind the microphone than Gary Neville's last night? He made the speaking clock sound charismatic.
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Re: Football World Cup 2014

Post by PeterCS on Sun 15 Jun 2014, 11:17

Brass Monkey wrote:Defensively England look shot, Baines and Johnson were constantly caught out of position, weak against set pieces and nervous when the ball was going through the middle. But so what, the reason the full-backs were constantly out of position was because we were playing pretty expansively further up the field. It's incredibly refreshing, regardless of the result. I'm used to us just playing tight, boring, circumspect tournament football. It's nice to have a team that throws caution to the wind a bit. The front 4 looked lively and threatening. We battered them for the last 10-15 minutes. Lovely stuff IMO.

If England had cleverly engineered a swap of captains, they'd have won. Not because Stevie G was useless - he started with the usual head-down determination - but because even before he started, he looked a brow-furrowed wreck. There was no composure there, way too tight. And when he had the free kick set up in a for him usually very threatening position, he lifted his head and blasted it over. Whereas Pirlo was peerless, and though equally purposive, he was also a calming genius influence on his team.

I agree with the enthusiasm about the good points. Sterling was great, Sturridge looked dangerous even though he miscued a couple of times, Welbeck had the best performance I've seen from him, all dynamo and creativity (did he know he was on for 50 mins only? - played that way), Rooney worked like a Trojan before he ran out of puff, .... but I realise that's all praise about the attacking midfield and creative attack, setting up a lot of chances. Where England were (surprisingly) generally as strong as Italy, arguably stronger.

I didn't think the central defenders were bad at all - it wasn't their fault. But the wide backs were pulled out of position and AWOL. I wouldn't blame Baines too much. One shouting reason the wide backs were AWOL is that for much of the match, they were required to cover the flanks from byline to byline. Because England played pretty much without any wing play (except them) for much of the match (until Sterling started to go wide right), i.e. they were asked to do the work of two or three men. Hence Baines was often caught out exactly as Cole used to be caught out - way up the pitch when Italy broke down the right, then panting to join the attack when England were setting up another attack. The difference with Johnson was that he was woefully short of accuracy too often. He covered a lot of ground, though it was never enough - but gave possession away too often. He improved after he'd gone missing for Balatelli's headed winner.

Joe Hart - just looks vulnerable all the time. He stopped a few shots. But there's something about him I don't like. He's an Anti-Schmeichel. Even when the Great Dane's powers were on the wane, and he had to try to con opposition attackers to shoot when and where he wanted, he still had a certain authority abut him - he "bossed his box". Hart always looks like a soft goal waiting to happen, somehow. Makes me shudder.

What a pity Walcott is not there. Or even a Lennon on the top of his form. Someone who can alternate down either wing. And cross accurately more than once out of five attempts.

Or a Pirlo.

When it comes down to it though, if England had "had their shootin' boots on", they could have won 5 or 6-2. For all the frailties noted above. Roon was the worst offender, fluffing one decent and two good chances. But most of them shot like they had their boots switched around. And lost their heads precisely when they needed some Pirlesque coolness.

Pity.

But hey. As everyone said, better to lose attackingly than get slaughtered haplessly. Some very good signs for the next 4-5 years.
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