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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:11

Ok we are in a parlous position, but Oz has been there before. The pendulum will shift soon enough. We are not Pomgolia where a decade in the wilderness is not unexpected. The question is how to accelerate the movement of the pendulum.

As anyone who casts a line with some success knows, the fish rots from the head.

Sutherland has been CEO for an inordinate time. In the best of moments he should have moved on. But he didn't. Time he was encouraged to move on. Maybe to a senior position at 10 or 7...depends on the rights outcome. Conflict of interest you say? Well this is capitalism baybee.

Domestic Scheduling. Run the Shield concurrently with Babel. The babel starts in the late arvo, so start Shield games early. Have bigger Babel squads to provide coverage. Either that or eliminate the 50 over comp.

Sack the physio and all other sports 'scientists'.  Special K has proven himself to be little more than a menace.

Fix the Shield. It is the proving ground for decent cricketers. It is clear that WA, Tas and historically SA have not been competitive for some years. One option is to have Spiv and Vix country and city teams. This reflects population. However it arguably rewards mediocrity. Not sure.    

There is a real problem with coaching.

WA has had undoubted talent, but has failed for over a decade to develop it. Players like Stoinis, Rogers, Harris flowered after departing what was according to Ginga a toxic culture. The bnlg is great at winning the ToB but useless at serious cricket. He continues the tradition of Moody, Mickey etc. Farkin Woody proved to be one of the most corrosive CEOs in cricket admin in this country

SOIG has proved a complete disaster in Tas. Merry-go round keepers is symptomatic of the Tozzie malaise.

The jellies are improving and offer some hope, but players like Head need to be flogged for their profligacy.

The Vix have improved with the 'moving on' of the jaded Shippy. However they have to call time on several more veterans - Christian, Hastings, White and Weed. Harper or Handscomb need  to be the keepers.

The Bills have the lowest level of talent but perform above it...tho I hate to say it they deserve all the help they can get.

The spivs have failed to insist on talented players like Sniffy, MADMAN, Reeks ffs, KP2 learn their craft and fix crucial technique and/or attitude problems. They need to move on veterans like Cowan, Bogan, SOK, Lyon etc. (btw I will eat my hat if Lyon adds another 20 wickets to his test record)
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Post by embee on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:18

The Bilologist spews down the vomitorium of cluelessness

apart from from moving on the CEO and the physios which are captain obvious solutions the rest is fantasy and dementia

PS Do you want salt with your hat?
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Post by lardbucket on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:25

'Tassie has not been competitive for years'

Excuse me. A list of recent Sheffield Shield finalists, even winners, might be a useful starting point. Unless you think 2-3 years is an established pattern.

THIS LINK would be useful if you actually believed any of the state-based logic-free negativity that you spout here. It's tiresome.




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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:33

Yep....salt will be needed and other assorted condiments. Would love to eat this hat but doubt it would happen...

sure the bureaucracy is a no-brainer. but there are probs with the scheduling and shield admin, inc my own state. Vix has a lot to do.

I would be shocked if you thought there were not real deep seated problems besetting WA cricket.

There is no doubting the talent available, but the admin and coaches are incapable of developing it - the reverse may be the case.

Let's look at Mere Marsh. Perhaps he should move states - tho it could now be too late for him.
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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:36

Lardy - you are right...my issue with Tas is that they have gone backwards under Marsh over the past couple of years. They too have talented players, but under the current regime there is no inkling they will be further developed.
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Post by lardbucket on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:36

I think we can all agree that there are some useless administrators and selectors around, in all states, and that they should have their files marked. Dan Marsh, James Sutherland, Mark Waugh, Andrew Hilditch, and Alex Kontouris have done enough for to Australian cricket already and should be moved quietly beyond the sunset.

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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:45

I think Boof is OK and Saker and Dizzy offer sound prospects for the future.

Under the current regime failures like bnlg will be rewarded as they are part of the club.
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Post by embee on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:55

Take the 50 over comp back to the shield

start the shield after the footy season

play a shield game and a 50 over game with a days rest between each

that gets 4 rounds of shield in before the 1st test (8/10 22/10 5/11 19/11)

Play the first Test in Brisbane starting about now and follow up in Perth the next weekend (a week earlier if we are playing a 6 test summer)

a weeks break to adelaide (and hobart )

a weeks break to Boxing day and the new years Test

play another round or two of shield to the start of december

mid december to end of jan play the tower of bbl games

fit in some jamodi and jamitts between the BBL games to fulfil international requirements and keep ch 9 amused

finish off the shield and odd comp after the bbl and before footy starts





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Post by lardbucket on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:58

almost sounds like a tried and true formula

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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 03:59

really sensible ideas....

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Post by embee on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:02

lardbucket wrote:almost sounds like a tried and true formula

something that wasnt broken but got fixed
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Post by embee on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:20

Mitch Marsh's main problem is one of selectorial farkwittedness

he is soft in the head like his brother with a bucketload of potential (and that's just his batting)

somewhere along the way someone saw him bowling in the nets at '140k' and decided he should be an all rounder ...despite having ankle hamstring and back issues ...

instead of being able to develop his game in FC cricket and get an appetite for runs and feel some pressure to perform he was selected for australia on potential ...and 20 tests later was still being picked on potential ...and no pressure was on his place in the wa team because he was a CA contracted player

and there was no pressure to perform for wa because the oz selectors kept picking him on potential

which has helped turn him into the player we see today

a hard hands forward poke that nicks off or wattos his pad before he can play a long innings ...and a 130k dobbler who may break down at any moment ...(if he learned to review badly he'd be the full watson)

but he's a top bloke ...you just have to see some of the prank videos CA keep putting on their site starring him

These things dont help a bloke who has watched his elder brother 'succeed' with the same mental softness
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Post by lardbucket on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:23

very accurate assessment

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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:24

word.

is there any prospect of fixing what was not broken?

apparently nein is most unhappy with their ratings and the absence of a remotely competitive team...yet one of their resident turkey commentators - Healy - was arguing for one change for Adelaide (for the injured Vague) .... their deal with CA is up for renewal...maybe their sponsors are up in arms....a pox in all their houses.

Fleming, Punter and Gilly are so far ahead of the nein crew it is not funny. Maybe there will be a shift in telly coverage. A good thing in my view. The last good thing nein did was to sack Bung.
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Post by lardbucket on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:33

A good colonoscopy prep could remove Clarke, Healy, Chappelli, Slater, Warne, and Nicholas. Taylor could stay despite the irritating voice. Not sure anyone else from Nein is worth keeping.

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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:40

Bill on Boxing Day.
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Post by skully on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:42

Well done, h. Provocative thread.

I think cricket will always be cyclical, and we are currently on the downward side of the cycle. We'll come back again, but it needs the right conditions at Shield level to achieve that. I like all of Marty's suggestions. As lardy says - tried and true (so why did they farking change them???).

My biggest concern is getting pitches right. We don't need roads that turn out FTBs, and we don't need greenies to turn dibbly-dobblers into 60 wicket a season legends. I think the Shield suffers from either end of the scale but rarely something in the middle.

We need the diversity we had back in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Some bouncy and seamy, some fast, some slow and turny. But don't make any of them flat batathon wickets. We need to turn out well developed batsmen who can adapt to varied conditions.

The current side (and potential candidates) are all FTBs bought up on flatties. This has been made obvious by our effort in SL and recent showings v SAf.


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Post by lardbucket on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:42

Yes, but alas that's just a cameo now, and not likely to be enjoyed for too many more years.

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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 04:56

skully wrote:Well done, h. Provocative thread.

I think cricket will always be cyclical, and we are currently on the downward side of the cycle. We'll come back again, but it needs the right conditions at Shield level to achieve that. I like all of Marty's suggestions. As lardy says - tried and true (so why did they farking change them???).

My biggest concern is getting pitches right. We don't need roads that turn out FTBs, and we don't need greenies to turn dibbly-dobblers into 60 wicket a season legends. I think the Shield suffers from either end of the scale but rarely something in the middle.

We need the diversity we had back in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Some bouncy and seamy, some fast, some slow and turny. But don't make any of them flat batathon wickets. We need to turn out well developed batsmen who can adapt to varied conditions.

The current side (and potential candidates) are all FTBs bought up on flatties. This has been made obvious by our effort in SL and recent showings v SAf.

Thanx S

Drop in pitches have proved a disaster. Curators need funds and arses kicked to re-establish regional variety. Drop ins have only profited drop kicks like gcs.
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Post by embee on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 05:21

lardbucket wrote:Yes, but alas that's just a cameo now, and not likely to be enjoyed for too many more years.

It's sad that it has taken the current bunch of cheer leaders and lookatme's to realise how good Bill and Tony were


Spoiler:
Chappelli was and still is a qunt ...and will be for eternity

In Chuck Norris' case ..Chappelli will be a qunt for .2 eternities
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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 06:12

lardbucket wrote:A good colonoscopy prep could remove Clarke, Healy, Chappelli, Slater, Warne, and Nicholas. Taylor could stay despite the irritating voice. Not sure anyone else from Nein is worth keeping.

KP
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Post by lardbucket on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 06:24

Actually he hasn't been bad.

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Post by taipan on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 06:29

lardbucket wrote:Actually he hasn't been bad.

I wasn't joking. Have heard him in both the SA and Aus boxes.
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Post by Nath on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 06:40

embee wrote:Take the 50 over comp back to the shield

start the shield after the footy season

play a shield game and a 50 over game with a days rest between each

these nancys shouldn't need a days rest between each.
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Post by horace on Tue 22 Nov 2016, 06:53

word

Pats young Nath on the head
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