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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by Big Dog on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 10:52

PeterCS wrote:
Big Dog wrote:Lets face it. In this day & age it was only a matter of time before some nutter carried out a revenge attack & of course, the idiot played right into the islamists hands.

It's not just a question of  effect though, BD.

Hate is hate, it's self-perpetuating and always potentially murderous.

A nutter is a nutter, whether Islamist or other type of fascist. It's no excuse.

"Lone-wolf nutter" doesn't explain the murder of Jo Cox, either. There are poisonous narratives of hate which lead supposed human beings to take retribution into their own hands.

That sounds very logical but the fact is that the Koran demands the death of pagans, Jews & Christians. It should be self evident that Islamic ideology & western culture cannot co-exist. Self deluding politicians need to wake up.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by skully on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 11:18

Interesting that the outraged ploughed worshippers are calling this "worse than terrorism - it's a hate crime". columbo

Let's hope this doesn't see some sort of crazy tit for tat thing happening.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by lardbucket on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 11:52

Big Dog wrote:
PeterCS wrote:
Big Dog wrote:Lets face it. In this day & age it was only a matter of time before some nutter carried out a revenge attack & of course, the idiot played right into the islamists hands.

It's not just a question of  effect though, BD.

Hate is hate, it's self-perpetuating and always potentially murderous.

A nutter is a nutter, whether Islamist or other type of fascist. It's no excuse.

"Lone-wolf nutter" doesn't explain the murder of Jo Cox, either. There are poisonous narratives of hate which lead supposed human beings to take retribution into their own hands.

That sounds very logical.

You should have stopped there. The revenge attacks AND the lumping together of all Muslims is exactly what the Islamic terrorists are after. Don't fall for it.

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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by lardbucket on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 11:59

Big Dog wrote: ... the fact is that the Koran demands the death of pagans, Jews & Christians

So does the Bible, if you choose to read it the way you're choosing to read the Koran.

Both books seem equally irrelevant to modern life and to the modern practice of the religions concerned.

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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by JGK on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 15:49

PeterCS wrote:
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lardbucket wrote:The details are still unclear - these particular bastards were possibly targeting innocents as they left their evening prayers, in some sort of perverted 'revenge' attack.


Is there such a thing as reverse terrorism?

Yes, it's called ...

terrorism.

Indeed.

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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by horace on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 22:10

lardbucket wrote:
Big Dog wrote: ... the fact is that the Koran demands the death of pagans, Jews & Christians

So does the Bible, if you choose to read it the way you're choosing to read the Koran.

Both books seem equally irrelevant to modern life and to the modern practice of the religions concerned.

I remember a regular hymn sung at school that went along the lines of "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.' Am certain Bush, Blair and the lying little rodent still metaphorically hum the tune inside their noggins when justifying the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.

Religion remains a pox on humanity, infecting craziness and suffering.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by Bradman on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 04:43

Actually there's a sect (?) of Islam, predominantly in the third world but based in London (or it was), that veers between "fark off and leave us alone" and the eventual peaceful assimilation of all people of "the book" into or under (can't remember which) Islam. Absolutely refuse to accept any violence against anyone.

Don't know where that leaves meself and the other godless but either way it shows religion would seem to be capable of only extremism or surrealism.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by PeterCS on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:53

Isn't that pretty much true of any branch/division of any religion that is not committed to "proselytising"? (basically the "fishers of men" idea).

If you are told the survival of your religion - and/or your soul - DEPENDS on converting others by pretty much whatever means, short of murdering them BEFORE you've managed to get them to renounce their own faith (or none) & sign up to yours - - - and don't wake up and bail out at some point - - - then you get tend to aggressive about it ....

Hence the most vicious outgrowths of Islam, Christianity, you name whatever religion you wish. Which the self-appointed freak commanders then take a step further, into their own hands - and systematically sacrifice the lives of innocents (and of course their own dupes, suicide bombers or other fanaticism fodder ...), generally while keeping their own hands clean. And cackling righteously at their own power.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by PeterCS on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 16:55

Sufism is a cool branch of Islam.

Hence not loved by the militant haters in Islam.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by Big Dog on Tue 20 Jun 2017, 22:57

lardbucket wrote:
Big Dog wrote: ... the fact is that the Koran demands the death of pagans, Jews & Christians

So does the Bible, if you choose to read it the way you're choosing to read the Koran.

Both books seem equally irrelevant to modern life and to the modern practice of the religions concerned.

True however the obvious difference being that Christians don't take those Bible texts literally.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by taipan on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 02:22

Big Dog wrote:
lardbucket wrote:
Big Dog wrote: ... the fact is that the Koran demands the death of pagans, Jews & Christians

So does the Bible, if you choose to read it the way you're choosing to read the Koran.

Both books seem equally irrelevant to modern life and to the modern practice of the religions concerned.

True however the obvious difference being that  Christians don't take those Bible texts literally.

Isn't Sharia law derived chiefly from the Koran?
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by Bradman on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 05:09

PeterCS wrote:Sufism is a cool branch of Islam.

Hence not loved by the militant haters in Islam.

Actually there are a lot of Sufis in the areas I was talking about too. I think the one I was talking about had its roots on the subi under the Raj, so may well have been a colonial office idea that actually worked. Think they're in London 'coz the angry muslims (Afghanistan originally, maybe) hate them.

Take your point about the "fisher's of men" but Judaism is the only non-prol Abrahamic religion and they're not exactly the least violent people on Earth. Though I suppose that could be more to do with self defence, revenge, land, bad hair or something else.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by horace on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 06:26

Big Dog wrote:
lardbucket wrote:
Big Dog wrote: ... the fact is that the Koran demands the death of pagans, Jews & Christians

So does the Bible, if you choose to read it the way you're choosing to read the Koran.

Both books seem equally irrelevant to modern life and to the modern practice of the religions concerned.

True however the obvious difference being that  Christians don't take those Bible texts literally.


Unhappily there are various brands of that miasma that take the texts literally.... creationism, position on gays, women etc. Equally there are rafts of other religions that literal.


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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by lardbucket on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 15:05

yep ... dickhead Christians take their book literally in the same way that dickhead Muslims take theirs literally

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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by embee on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 15:51

yeah ...but the christian book is right
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by horace on Wed 21 Jun 2017, 22:40

Yep, it certainly underpins much right wing philosophy and the western sense of cultural superiority.
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Re: Terrorist attack in London

Post by buckSH on Thu 22 Jun 2017, 04:43

PeterCS wrote:Sufism is a cool branch of Islam.

Hence not loved by the militant haters in Islam.

well, that's what we all thought. 

sufis role in medieval days used to be to project a soft face, penetrate target societies with music, dance, poetry, & spiritualism (faux) and giving cover to spies who were spying for inavding armies of turks, central asians. 

Once sufis were past their usefulness, and objective achieved (target colonized and people converted), they used to shed the cloak of sufism very rapidly and turn hardline. Very few who drank the coolaid and took it too seriously were eliminated by the 'hardliners' who were always waiting in the wings.

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