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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by beamer on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 10:31

lardbucket wrote:I was hoping for more ... thought on elf the other contenders might have attacked Froome, but it looks like they've all conceded.
Nothing on that stage that could have allowed anyone to get away, Sky would have covered any futile move in seconds. Even two teams working together couldn't have defeated the peloton. They're better off saving their energy and hoping Froome has a crash or major off-day in the TT.

There seem to have been more stages than usual that serve no purpose other than a sprint finish and generally tiring people out this year though... I understand the thinking in terms of keeping the GC and potentially green jersey contests close, but it's made it a case of only about one day in every three being worth tuning into the highlights for.

And I know it's not the purists' choice but I always think a Tour without Alpe d'Huez is like, say, an F1 season without Monaco... they seem to be using it more sparingly these days, perhaps due to the crowd issues. Ventoux is generally the showpiece alternative but we didn't have that this year either (and it was curtailed last time around, but still produced the unique moment of Froome running up the mountain with no bike!) If they want to mix things up I'd like to see a big mountain time trial again, or maybe a repeat of the legendary Champs-Elysees time trial to decide it on the final day (30th anniversary in 2019 perhaps?) I know, the sprinters wouldn't like it, but hardly any of them will have made it to Paris this year anyway!

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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by beamer on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:37

No dramas for Froome, though he will end up winning by less than a minute without a stage win to his name. Uran comfortably jumps into second with Bardet holding on to a podium place from Sky no.2 Landa by just one second... he will need a big improvement in this area if he is to be the one to end France's long yellow jersey drought.

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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by taipan on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:39

Basically Froome controlled the whole race without having to take chances.
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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by WideWally on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:40

Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.
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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by beamer on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:43

WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.
Pretty much the same position Froome was in back in 2012 when he had to play second fiddle to Wiggins after proving himself the stronger climber - what goes around, etc...

A number of potential threats to Froome joining the 5-time club next year. Nobody's ever ended their career with 4 wins...

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Post by taipan on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:51

WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.

Like Porte?
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Post by beamer on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:54

taipan wrote:Basically Froome controlled the whole race without having to take chances.

Yeah, never really looked threatened beyond that one day when he cracked slightly behind Aru on the summit finish. A close GC without ever being a thriller - I suppose you only get that classic contest of best climber v best time triallist, e.g. Schleck v Evans, once a decade or a generation.

It is so reminiscent of the Armstrong years, without implying the methods employed are the same - always in control, a super-strong supporting cast (for Landis read Landa...), not necessarily always the absolute strongest climber but able to minimise losses in the knowledge that no major rival can time-trial better.

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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by Growler on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:57

Home crowd was booing Chris Froome at the finish, but really the should be thanking him.

Bardet was dying on his arse towards the end of the TT. It was only when he realised that Froome may actually overtake him at the last that he dug deep to hold him off.

That massive effort secured his 3rd spot ..... without that effort in the last 500m he'd probably have lost the best part of another 10 seconds, he looked so whacked out.


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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by tricycle on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:58

WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.
He led the Giro for sky each of the last two years. Cocked it up with illness, but it's not like he's not received any chances. Just not the tour, which is fair enough given they have a 3 time winner. He's linked with a move to movistar, and again he's not likely to lead the tour de France team there (in fact, he's likely to be third behind quintana and valverde).

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Post by taipan on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 16:59

beamer wrote:
taipan wrote:Basically Froome controlled the whole race without having to take chances.

Yeah, never really looked threatened beyond that one day when he cracked slightly behind Aru on the summit finish. A close GC without ever being a thriller - I suppose you only get that classic contest of best climber v best time triallist, e.g. Schleck v Evans, once a decade or a generation.

It is so reminiscent of the Armstrong years, without implying the methods employed are the same - always in control, a super-strong supporting cast (for Landis read Landa...), not necessarily always the absolute strongest climber but able to minimise losses in the knowledge that no major rival can time-trial better.

Could say say the same about Wiggins when Froome supported Wiggins, or LeMond supporting Hinault.
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Post by tricycle on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 17:09

Hinault had 2 others apart from lemond in the top 10. la vie Claire were crazy. But I prefer a Roche supporting Visentini...

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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by beamer on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 17:13

tricycle wrote:
WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.
He led the Giro for sky each of the last two years. Cocked it up with illness, but it's not like he's not received any chances. Just not the tour, which is fair enough given they have a 3 time winner. He's linked with a move to movistar, and again he's not likely to lead the tour de France team there (in fact, he's likely to be third behind quintana and valverde).
Valverde's a fair age now and having to come back from a major injury. If Quintana's ever going to have a serious run at winning this he will have to stop trying to compete in every Grand Tour... not really sure why he even completed the course on this occasion.

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Post by taipan on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 17:18

tricycle wrote:Hinault had 2 others apart from lemond in the top 10. la vie Claire were crazy. But I prefer a Roche supporting Visentini...

Yeah but wasn't that the tour that Hinault asked LeMond to back off with the promise he would support him the next year? And then tried to stab him in the back.
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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by WideWally on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 17:24

taipan wrote:
WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.

Like Porte?

Are you suggesting that he spends the rest of his career as a domestique?


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WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.
He led the Giro for sky each of the last two years. Cocked it up with illness, but it's not like he's not received any chances. Just not the tour, which is fair enough given they have a 3 time winner. He's linked with a move to movistar, and again he's not likely to lead the tour de France team there (in fact, he's likely to be third behind quintana and valverde).

FFS He had severe gastro in 2016 & had his 2017 Giro ruined by that incident with the police motorcycle. No-one could blame him for that.
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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by tricycle on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 17:40

taipan wrote:
tricycle wrote:Hinault had 2 others apart from lemond in the top 10. la vie Claire were crazy. But I prefer a Roche supporting Visentini...

Yeah but wasn't that the tour that Hinault asked LeMond to back off with the promise he would support him the next year? And then tried to stab him in the back.
I don't like lemond, he's a bloody gobshit these days. So, go hinault...

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tricycle wrote:
WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.
He led the Giro for sky each of the last two years. Cocked it up with illness, but it's not like he's not received any chances. Just not the tour, which is fair enough given they have a 3 time winner. He's linked with a move to movistar, and again he's not likely to lead the tour de France team there (in fact, he's likely to be third behind quintana and valverde).

FFS He had severe gastro in 2016 & had his 2017 Giro ruined by that incident with the police motorcycle. No-one could blame him for that.
Yes, my point was that he's had chances. Just not this race. He's not been held back nearly as bad as made out. I'd like to see him leave too, but to a team like trek where he'd definitely be the top rider not movistar (where he'd be the same as here and Astana).

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Re: Le Tour de Pharmaceutical 2017

Post by taipan on Sat 22 Jul 2017, 17:45

WideWally wrote:
taipan wrote:
WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.

Like Porte?

Are you suggesting that he spends the rest of his career as a domestique?


tricycle wrote:
WideWally wrote:Landa must be spewing. He has to move to another team next year.
He led the Giro for sky each of the last two years. Cocked it up with illness, but it's not like he's not received any chances. Just not the tour, which is fair enough given they have a 3 time winner. He's linked with a move to movistar, and again he's not likely to lead the tour de France team there (in fact, he's likely to be third behind quintana and valverde).

FFS He had severe gastro in 2016 & had his 2017 Giro ruined by that incident with the police motorcycle. No-one could blame him for that.

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