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Post by Growler Fri 28 Jul 2017, 11:28

With Mum-in-laws death and the aftermath, I've not really followed this story too closely.

What's going on ? In short, is it a case of CA essentially looking to pay the international players less in guaranteed selection/appearance money, so to speak - and more in bonus payments of some sort or other - both variable and dependant on certain conditions being met eg wins?
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Post by lardbucket Fri 28 Jul 2017, 14:27

The arrangement for over 30 years has been that players (Test and FC) get a share of total cricket revenues.

CA wishes to change the arrangement so that players (Test and FC) get a share of total cricket PROFITS, after CA has decided how much it will grow and how much it will pay itself from the total revenues.

Under the new proposal it is possible, even if not especially likely, that the players could get nothing. The administrators will get paid first. The players will only get paid from profits - if they exist - not gross revenue.

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Post by Growler Fri 28 Jul 2017, 15:53

Ah right, thanks lardy - so no guaranteed money then. Agreed it's highly unlikely that the players would ever end up with nothing, there are many years it's quite possible they won't get very much.

Whilst Ashes tests are always profitable, all it takes is unseasonal bad weather to wipe out say 5 whole days of play (I assume refunds are given ?) over the series for ticket profits to take a 20% hit.

Not every other series will be as popular/profitable, and if there is not a bidding war between sponsors at renewal time, CA could be in the position of taking a relatively poor deal from the only outfit showing interest. The same applies to TV deals.

Maybe I'm wrong, but CA don't appear to be in a position of strength here. Sponsorship corporations and TV companies have a choice of where to put the big bucks, and lose nothing by just walking away from the table. The players know this, and if they're expected to turn up for corporate sponsors events they quite rightly want a small share of the money.

I have been reading Martin Johnson's autobiography (WC winning RWC skipper). He says that when he was first capped, the RFU tried a similar stunt - it was just before the game went fully professional. The old hands saw what was going on - the "blazers" were arranging huge deals, and wanting the players on less appearance money and more win bonus payments - which resulted in a threat to withdraw from the upcoming autumn international v Argentina.

Obviously we're talking of significantly different levels of pay now, compared to 2000, but in that instance, the RFU backed down
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Post by taipan Fri 28 Jul 2017, 16:02

From a purely business point of view, a revenue sharing deal is unusual as opposed to a profit sharing arrangement.

Obviously if a game is wiped out by weather the revenue would take the same knock as profit, but I would assume that is not where the money is coming from. TV revenue would remain the same, as would team sponsorships and endorsements.
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Post by taipan Fri 28 Jul 2017, 16:07

And Growls, on the rugby front, most fans here would prefer th Boks on large win bonuses rather than appearance money coupled with a regular salary.
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Post by skully Sat 29 Jul 2017, 01:08

Slight correction to Lardy's excellent summary - the revenue sharing came into play in 1997, so 20 years.

Lardy's point re: diddling the figures is valid given CA's claim that the outrageously successful Big Bash ran at a $33 M loss (FFS).
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Post by Nath Sat 29 Jul 2017, 01:47

considering that apparently CA only makes a profit on the Ashes tour and the India tour, you can see where the players are coming from.
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Post by Bradman Sat 29 Jul 2017, 01:50

In regards to the Babel. Anyone ever do the maths and call them on that rather than just call BS?  The only way I see it is if their offsetting current revenues against the history of the comp.
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Post by lardbucket Sat 29 Jul 2017, 09:35

Sorry re that erroneous '30', my fat or drunk finger struck. As per skully it has been twenty, or more relevantly about half the whole time that players (outside England, anywho) have been paid as professionals ...

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Post by skully Sun 30 Jul 2017, 00:43

And therefore excellent precedence to justify continuation of the model. But CA says no and without explanation.
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Post by Nath Sun 30 Jul 2017, 02:12

skully wrote:And therefore excellent precedence to justify continuation of the model. But CA says no and without explanation.

probably cooking the books and don't want to get found out
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Post by lardbucket Sun 30 Jul 2017, 02:56

CA - more hated than the Government?

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Post by skully Sun 30 Jul 2017, 05:43

And it appears to be introduced hatred. I blame Peever.
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Post by JGK Sun 30 Jul 2017, 06:11

Yep - from what I understand, Peever is the qunt behind all this. It also seems like Sutherland is caught in the middle - being sympathetic to the players but having to do what the Board tell him to do.


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Post by skully Sun 30 Jul 2017, 06:18

One wonders if Tubby and Kaspa are feeling frustrated also.
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Post by JGK Sun 30 Jul 2017, 06:50

skully wrote:One wonders if Tubby and Kaspa are feeling frustrated also.

I spoke to Kaspa at a charity thing a few weeks ago. He was very much spruiking the CA line. I doubt he will have many friends amongst the playing group these days.

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Post by skully Sun 30 Jul 2017, 09:50

Really?? I find that amazing. Maybe they are all scared shitless of Peever.

Any way you look at this, you have to come to the conclusion that CA have handled this whole palaver very badly.
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Post by horace Sun 30 Jul 2017, 11:29

Leave it to Cleever.

That's capitalism baby.
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Post by Nath Sun 30 Jul 2017, 11:43

skully wrote:Really?? I find that amazing. Maybe they are all scared shitless of Peever.

Any way you look at this, you have to come to the conclusion that CA have handled this whole palaver very badly.

there's no winners in the situation.
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Post by skully Sun 30 Jul 2017, 13:24

And we the fans are the biggest losers. CA are qunts.
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Post by Big Dog Sun 30 Jul 2017, 22:48

Last chance to strike a deal today before it goes to arbitration.
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Post by horace Mon 31 Jul 2017, 01:28

Who will arbitrate? Bosses Australia?
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Post by embee Mon 31 Jul 2017, 02:27

embee wrote:Simmo was a despised dubber former captain with stupid media opinions

Spoiler:

TPS positioning himself to make my joke come true
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Post by Bradman Mon 31 Jul 2017, 05:26

skully wrote:One wonders if Tubby and Kaspa are feeling frustrated also.

Knowing what CA spend on administration they're probably paid more than partners at Goldman. I'd be selling out too.
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Post by lardbucket Tue 01 Aug 2017, 06:57

Progress?

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