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Post by skully on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 10:42

If the Board don't get us, the NSP will. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by horace on Thu 08 Jun 2017, 23:32

skully wrote:If the Board don't get us, the NSP will. Evil or Very Mad

If the Marsh turkeys are not selected to fail, Reeks FFS will.
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Post by skully on Fri 09 Jun 2017, 03:25

Overnight Wavy Chitlin Davey has had a crack at CA over a second pay dispute video. Anyone know where to find it? Can't see a reference to it on the CA site.
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Post by Big Dog on Fri 09 Jun 2017, 08:39

skully wrote:Overnight Wavy Chitlin Davey has had a crack at CA over a second pay dispute video. Anyone know where to find it? Can't see a reference to it on the CA site.

This?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champions-trophy-2017/content/story/1101986.html
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Post by taipan on Fri 09 Jun 2017, 08:48

Wasn't it the players who took it public it the first place?
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Post by skully on Tue 13 Jun 2017, 07:28

Some ground being given?

"MEETINGS on Wednesday and Thursday could decide the immediate trajectory of cricket’s pay war with the deadline for a new deal less than three weeks away.

After coming together for the first time last week, members of the negotiating teams for Cricket Australia and the Australian Cricketers Association were urged to end the icy stand-off and find common ground.

Beyond the clear dispute over a preferred pay model for the next Memorandum of Understanding, with the current deal set to expire on June 30, it’s believed both parties share a lot of similar ideals.
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It’s understood CA boss James Sutherland was part of talks late last week before he flew to the UK for a series of meetings being held by the International Cricket Council both during and after the Champions Trophy one-day competition.

Sutherland is not expected to increase his involvement in the pay talks, being run for CA by executive general manager Kevin Roberts, but the chief executive did express his desire for the lines of communication to re-open.
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Several Australian contracted players, including Usman Khawaja, Glenn Maxwell and Travis Head, are expected to front up for an Australia A tour of South Africa as early as July 7.

That looms as the first flashpoint for the dispute with the likelihood temporary contracts will be required to ensure those selected players don’t have to break ranks with their peers.

Such temporary arrangements are back on the table despite claims from Sutherland in May they would not be considered.
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For his part Head, who made a dashing 71 not out in his only innings at the Champions Trophy against England at Edgbaston on Saturday, said he fully expected to turn out for the A tour, after a short break at home."


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Maybe Kevin Roberts needs to relax and chill a bit. Less sabre rattling and more constructive bargaining.

Apparently* Sutherland was in Birmingham on the day we crashed out v England. One wonders whether he chuckled. You would hope not.
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Post by skully on Tue 13 Jun 2017, 07:53

I've just been reading up on Kevin Roberts, the Executive General Manager of CA, and CA's negotiator in the ACA Pay Dispute.

He was a mediocre Dubber Shield cricketer in the mid 90s, who played 23 games, making 1,088 FC runs at 27.89. He was Chief Executive of sports apparel company 2XU when he joined the CA Board in 2012, then resigned his directorship to take up his current role (which some say makes him the natural successor to Sutherland).

His chief mission in his new role was to "take on responsibility for CA's 'One Team, Strategy and People' initiative".

How's that responsibility going, Kevin?
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Post by lardbucket on Tue 13 Jun 2017, 09:47

I remember him, mainly for the one decent ODI innings he played, which was a cracker ... and for the fact that he played a few games alongside Corey Richards, which I found slightly confusing. Both were talked up for national selection though they did SFA for the Dubbers, really.

Then again, even Trevor Bayliss was listed as a likely player for Australia in one of the ABC cricket books which I used to buy every year. I am fairly sure that Jim Maxwell used to decide which NSW State players featured in that production, other than those who had previously played Tests.

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Post by skully on Tue 13 Jun 2017, 09:57

I note in various dispatches that Pat Howard was flicked from the negotiating role early in proceedings. Perhaps the ACA think as highly of our High Performance Manager (*cough*) as we on the Forum do.
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Post by Red on Sun 18 Jun 2017, 06:33

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/david-warner-says-steve-smith-could-probably-push-more-as-cricket-pay-dispute-intensifies-20170618-gwtfj6.html

Warner believes that Smith could be more proactive on this front.
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Post by horace on Sun 18 Jun 2017, 07:50

Warner should stfu and try and make a decent score in bangleville
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Post by Henry on Mon 19 Jun 2017, 00:34

So will CA cave? Certainly doesn't look as if the players will.....
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Post by skully on Sat 24 Jun 2017, 02:07

ACA says "meh" to latest CA offer

"A REVISED pay proposal from Cricket Australia which could bridge the divide between international and domestic players has failed to penetrate the impasse that has the sport on the verge of a meltdown.
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The revised offer remains different to the current pay model, which gives as much as 26 per cent of CA revenue to the players, a model the players wish to hold on to.

But it did address a key concern among domestic cricketers who had been separated from their national colleagues in sharing up to $20 million surplus revenue.

The first real movement in six months of stalled talks also seemingly opened the door for a possible temporary arrangement to be reached by next Friday, which the ACA referred to as the “June 30 cliff”."


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Thank fark there's no massive Test series in the next month.
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Post by Henry on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:48

Can't these babies grow up and sort this whole f*cking mess out??

I have a bit of sympathy for CA. Grassroots cricket needs to be developed. The top players, who are all millionaires, live in a bubble, but cricket at the grassroots level is in trouble. Player numbers are down as other sports like football (soccer) and AFL increase their participation rates.

I'm also hearing that the television rights for international cricket will attract lower bids than was hoped. The Big Bash is now THE biggest thing in Australian cricket. The national team is number two. Worrying, but now a fact.
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Post by taipan on Mon 26 Jun 2017, 10:53

Henry wrote:Can't these babies grow up and sort this whole f*cking mess out??

I have a bit of sympathy for CA. Grassroots cricket needs to be developed. The top players,  who are all millionaires, live in a bubble, but cricket at the grassroots level is in trouble. Player numbers are down as other sports like football (soccer) and AFL increase their participation rates.

I'm also hearing that the television rights for international cricket will attract lower bids than was hoped. The Big Bash is now THE biggest thing in Australian cricket. The national team is number two. Worrying, but now a fact.

Warner seems to be the pointman.
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Re: Ashes lockout with Aussie players on the front foot

Post by skully on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 00:39

Unpaid contracts offered

"Cricket Australia’s pay dispute has taken an unexpected turn with national cricket authorities offering five of the country’s elite cricketers a chance to play in the Australia 'A' tour of South Africa on unpaid contracts.

Fairfax Media reveals Cricket Australia will give five out of the 14-man squad due to play in South Africa a chance to play for free so not to jeopardise their international careers.

Usman Khawaja, Glenn Maxwell, Ashton Agar, Jackson Bird and Travis Head all have CA contracts in place but will be given the opportunity to play for free with all expenses covered for the tour.

The move is being interpreted as an opportunity for these players to enhance their test aspirations with Khawaja, Maxwell and Agar all being selected for the tour of Bangladesh in August."


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It'll be interesting to see what the 5 do. One would assume they'd baulk.
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Post by Bradman on Wed 28 Jun 2017, 02:01

If it has the potential to improve their future prospects via future preferential treatment CA might want to start tälking to some criminal lawyers.
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Post by furriner on Thu 29 Jun 2017, 06:46

skully wrote:ACA says "meh" to latest CA offer

[i]"A REVISED pay proposal from Cricket Australia which could bridge the divide between international and domestic players has failed to penetrate the impasse that has the sport on the verge of a meltdown.
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Davey Warner may be on the verge of a meltdown or Smith or the CA mandarins, or even the Ashes, but I very much doubt if the sport is on the verge of a meltdown.
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Post by horace on Thu 29 Jun 2017, 22:29

Heard a journo on the radio -the great Tozzie scribbler Geoffrey Poulter - say that players' revenue demand are not just linked to media and gate receipts. The demand is for a fixed share of all payments. This includes share of profits from sale of real estate owned by CA and a share of subs paid by junior and local cricket clubs to CA, presumably for insurance etc.
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Post by horace on Thu 29 Jun 2017, 22:31

I have zero time for CA, but if true the players merit zero support.
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Post by Big Dog on Thu 29 Jun 2017, 23:14

horace wrote:I have zero time for CA, but if true the players merit zero support.

As i have said before, they should all be on performance based contracts. There are too many getting top dollar for just turning up.
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Post by horace on Fri 30 Jun 2017, 00:12

Big Dog wrote:
horace wrote:I have zero time for CA, but if true the players merit zero support.

As i have said before, they should all be on performance based contracts. There are too many getting top dollar for just turning up.

On that basis non performers like Bog, Mere, Reeks ffs, gcs(overseas) should be paying subs.
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Post by Bradman on Fri 30 Jun 2017, 03:45

Agree with the performance aspect and can see that an everything approach to CA receipts looks bad, but after the casual approach to the truth the board would have seem to have taken with revenues you couldn't trust them not to hide/move revenue if parts of the receipts were exempted.
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Post by Henry on Fri 30 Jun 2017, 08:30

So it doesn't look like there's going to be a deal? Does this mean the Bangkadesh v Aus series is definitely off?
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Post by Nath on Fri 30 Jun 2017, 08:46

Big Dog wrote:
horace wrote:I have zero time for CA, but if true the players merit zero support.

As i have said before, they should all be on performance based contracts. There are too many getting top dollar for just turning up.

so should the admin.
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