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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Sun 28 May 2017, 20:05

Are you being serious?
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by Big Dog on Mon 29 May 2017, 10:09

Having won the series it seems England will offer SA some confidence by 'resting' Stokes, Woakes & Moeen.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by taipan on Mon 29 May 2017, 10:36

What annoyed me was Mikey Holding discussing the quota as if was a fair and equitable situation.

Wot a hypocrite.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by Basil on Mon 29 May 2017, 11:23

This is going well .........not.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by Basil on Mon 29 May 2017, 11:31

WTF?
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by embee on Mon 29 May 2017, 11:48

Red wrote: Parnell is a bit expensive
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by taipan on Mon 29 May 2017, 11:51

It's good to see Lever back.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by Nath on Mon 29 May 2017, 12:03

this 'new' England is a lot like the old England.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Mon 29 May 2017, 12:56

There's a dead rubber, and there's melting latex.

Bairstow showing his value.

Rabada comes good. As does Parnell, indeed.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by horace on Mon 29 May 2017, 13:05

thompson gunner looks ok, despite coming from Middlesex.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by horace on Mon 29 May 2017, 13:07

taipan wrote:What annoyed me was Mikey Holding discussing the quota as if was a fair and equitable situation.

Wot a hypocrite.

so was he defending Snorkel's selection?
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by Henry on Mon 29 May 2017, 14:38

I'm surely not the only one who thinks it's a bit rich that England are widely considered favourites for the champions trophy. I'd have at least three teams above them.

They've taken the foot off the gas and produced a disastrous performance right on the eve of a major tournament. We'll be lucky to beat Bangladesh now. F*cking complacent tossers.

Ps- since when did anyone GAF about the champions trophy anyway? No matter how much the ECB wants to tell us that ODI cricket is now the centre of the universe, I still couldn't care less about most of it, and tests will always be my number one game. I think I speak for many England supporters in this regard. And I'm actually starting t think that domestic T20 tournaments definitely have their place, but I think 50 over internationals are becoming the odd one out. Something in the schedule has to give sooner or later. It's just to packed. And Stokes and co will want to play the majority of the IPL.

I can see ODIs becoming kind of second XI 'trial' games where most teams rest their best players unless it's a major tournament.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by skully on Mon 29 May 2017, 14:53

Eng were 6-20??? FMD. Shocked
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by embee on Mon 29 May 2017, 14:57

Henry wrote:

I can see ODIs becoming kind of second XI 'trial' games where most teams rest their best players unless it's a major tournament.

trev

do you realize that's basically what Australia has been doing for the last twenty years?

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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by JKLever on Mon 29 May 2017, 17:09

skully wrote:Eng were 6-20??? FMD. Shocked

20-6 off 5 overs, and punters paying £90 for the match tickets trying not to cry into their first beer of the day!

In muggy conditions at Lords, it can be difficult with the white ball but we looked a bit like the touring side coming to grips with conditions rather than the home team. Was a pretty brainless effort.

I thought TRJ did ok on debut, he's the sort of bowler than may go ok in Oz if given a chance.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by JKLever on Mon 29 May 2017, 17:12

Henry wrote:I'm surely not the only one who thinks it's a bit rich that England are widely considered favourites for the champions trophy. I'd have at least three teams above them.


I think we're in the favourites with a few others simply due to our potential batting power. Unlike other sides we don't have any world class bowlers in our team and with all due respect to Liam Plunkett who appears to have had a second coming as an ODI bowler, if he is leading your attack then you are surely behind a few other teams in that discipline.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by Basil on Mon 29 May 2017, 18:12

Willey looked properly out of sorts with the ball today.

Roland-Jones did ok, but his county colleague Tom Helm is, I reckon, a better long-term prospect.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Mon 29 May 2017, 22:09

JKLever wrote:
Henry wrote:I'm surely not the only one who thinks it's a bit rich that England are widely considered favourites for the champions trophy. I'd have at least three teams above them.


I think we're in the favourites with a few others simply due to our potential batting power. Unlike other sides we don't have any world class bowlers in our team and  with all due respect to Liam Plunkett who appears to have had a second coming as an ODI bowler, if he is leading your attack then you are surely behind a few other teams in that discipline.

If the little calamity today serves to put an overdue sock in it with the professional enthusiasts and fantasists, then it will have been of some use. Wink

Yes, 20-6 notwithstanding, there is a lot of potential to the batting, if not always realised.

I disagree on Plunkett, though. I have seen him in the flesh. He's good. Perhaps better as third seamer, though. It's the other seamers apart from Wood (starts expenseive, improves) and Plunkett that are a real worry.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by skully on Tue 30 May 2017, 01:38

JKLever wrote:
skully wrote:Eng were 6-20??? FMD. Shocked

20-6 off 5 overs, and punters paying £90 for the match tickets trying not to cry into their first beer of the day!

In muggy conditions at Lords, it can be difficult with the white ball but we looked a bit like the touring side coming to grips with conditions rather than the home team. Was a pretty brainless effort.

I thought TRJ did ok on debut, he's the sort of bowler than may go ok in Oz if given a chance.

Cheers for the summary, JKL.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by WideWally on Tue 30 May 2017, 04:02

JKLever wrote:
I thought TRJ did ok on debut, he's the sort of bowler than may go ok in Oz if given a chance.

Toby, or not Toby - that is the question!

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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by furriner on Tue 30 May 2017, 04:57

Big Dog wrote:..................Stokes, Woakes &  Moeen.

Sounds like the name of a cigar store, or a dodgy law firm. Or the ending of the first line of a limerick.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by embee on Tue 30 May 2017, 05:21

...or the UK trading name of Furri Enterprises
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by skully on Tue 30 May 2017, 06:13

Furri Enterprises...


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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by horace on Tue 30 May 2017, 08:19

they are certainly flammable.
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Re: England v South Africa, 3xODIs, 24-29 May, 2017

Post by tricycle on Tue 30 May 2017, 13:11

Henry wrote:And I'm actually starting t think that domestic T20 tournaments definitely have their place, but I think 50 over internationals are becoming the odd one out. Something in the schedule has to give sooner or later. It's just to packed. And Stokes and co will want to play the majority of the IPL.
Been my opinion for a few years now. What's the point of ODI cricket if it's just a 50 over Twenty20? Might as well get the match over in 3 hours.

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