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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by Red on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 01:56

PeterCS wrote:I wonder how many more Get Out of Jail cards England have?

Root's never dry up. Can't recall a batsman to have so many chances when he bats. Smile He must have some sort of talisman in his sock.

This SA team is ordinary, as has been mentioned in the lead-up so there should be many more on offer!

Abbott desperately missed, which was not unexpected.

Elgar should be banned for the appalling over-rate. At least Faf should return for the next test.

Fancy Maharaj overstepping too.

Undisciplined from SA which smacks of lack of leadership. What a muppet Markram is for that misjudgment!!!!!
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by skully on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 03:09

Looks a top knock by the Neph, even though he had a bit of early luck.

Looks an anaemic effort by SAf after lunch.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by tricycle on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 03:59

Bit of a non issue, but cream > super bright whites.

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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by whitburn on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 08:37

Saffies choke after having England by the balls at lunch. Fancy that. Drown those sorrows Monsieur Taips! Very Happy

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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by horace on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 09:04

Was itthe turn of Elgar's elite school to have an old boy (pip pip) named as saffie captain.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 09:36

tricycle wrote:Bit of a non issue, but cream > super bright whites.

Not a hugie, but not a NON-issue to me.

The overshaped superwhites look highly synthetic, literally and metaphorically, as uncomfortable on as they appear rootless for the spectator. To put it another way: innovation for no particular reason other than some firm's brash commercial opportunity.

Hurrah for unflashy cableknit!
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 09:37

horace wrote:Was itthe turn of Elgar's elite school to have an old boy (pip pip) named as  saffie captain.

Maybe it was simply felt that a little more pomp and circumstance was called for?
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 09:45

So, no woofing in either direction, honest: South Africa are not out of this yet.

Clearly, depends on what each team takes out of the first day and their approach to the second.

But Dawson at 8 and Broad at 9 (and two jacks at 10 and 11), that's a longer tail than England have had for years. It has to be the visitors' ambition to take two quick wickets, because England all out for under 400 would be a good and morale-lifting result for them. Entirely possible. Root and Moeen are not the world's greatest openers, as we've seen. Should they however work on the fund of confidence and runs already accumulated yesterday, and Elgar's men don't grasp the nettle (or have/make better luck), it could be grim for the latter. Despite England's Adelaide 2006 tendency, South Africa don't want to be going in to bat just before tea facing 600 or so.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 11:31

Hah!

"But Dawson at 8 ... It has to be the visitors' ambition to take two quick wickets, ....  Root and Moeen are not the world's greatest openers. ..."

Root promptly nicks behind, and Dawson dismissed for a two-ball duck. Wasting a review on an LBW, to boot.

Moeen so far picking up where he left off though, and Broad aiming for ropes with varying degrees of accuracy.

Good tussle.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by Red on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 11:59

PeterCS wrote:So, no woofing in either direction, honest: South Africa are not out of this yet.

Clearly, depends on what each team takes out of the first day and their approach to the second.

But Dawson at 8 and Broad at 9 (and two jacks at 10 and 11), that's a longer tail than England have had for years. It has to be the visitors' ambition to take two quick wickets, because England all out for under 400 would be a good and morale-lifting result for them. Entirely possible. Root and Moeen are not the world's greatest openers, as we've seen. Should they however work on the fund of confidence and runs already accumulated yesterday, and Elgar's men don't grasp the nettle (or have/make better luck), it could be grim for the latter. Despite England's Adelaide 2006 tendency, South Africa don't want to be going in to bat just before tea facing 600 or so.

Without Faf and AB, SA's batting is very weak. England surely have enough already.

Gosh Morkel and Rabada have been profligate.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by Red on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 12:38

[quote="Red"]
PeterCS wrote:England on the rack. Could perhaps have been 7-8 down if fielders had had their catching hands on.

Lucky that LBW is a dismissal so butter fingers don't feature. Smile

Root seems to give a lot of chances and get away with them. shrug

England has deep batting with Stokes and Ali to support Broad.[/quote]

Spot on there! Smile
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 13:22

As they say in Ireland: "Trrue forr ya!"
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by Red on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 15:04

Kuhn, inauspicious debut.

SA could have kept the poms to a lot fewer runs, but for mishaps in the field and the failure to review and LBW decision against Broad.

Good to see Amla not waste a review, unlike some other selfish types who review with impunity.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by tricycle on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 17:36

So far, Ravi needs improvement to be a regular test umpire. Statistics may say nothing overturned, but consistency in trigger happiness should really matter.

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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by taipan on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 18:20

Red wrote:Kuhn, inauspicious debut.

SA could have kept the poms to a lot fewer runs, but for mishaps in the field and the failure to review and LBW decision against Broad.

Good to see Amla not waste a review, unlike some other selfish types who review with impunity.

His name was Watson.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by beamer on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 22:43

If Dawson was picked for his batting, that shouldn't be a weak tail. Not a great start for him, anyway. And a few years ago, Broad would have been pretty insulted to be described as a weak number 9... he still averages over 20 with the bat after more than 100 Tests, even if we once expected a fair bit more. And then there's the Burnley Lara! This is certainly a million miles from a Caddick-Mullally-Giddins-Tufnell tail, we could afford to play whoever is the best spin prospect, regardless of batting ability.

Anyway it's certainly in our favour if we can finish them off reasonably quickly tomorrow, but a lot of play left in this yet.

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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by skully on Fri 07 Jul 2017, 22:57

Engulund on top!!!

Sturat looks as fit and fiery as I've ever seen him. He bowled well. Seems Moeen did as well.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by PeterCS on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 01:15

beamer wrote:If Dawson was picked for his batting, that shouldn't be a weak tail. Not a great start for him, anyway. And a few years ago, Broad would have been pretty insulted to be described as a weak number 9... he still averages over 20 with the bat after more than 100 Tests, even if we once expected a fair bit more. And then there's the Burnley Lara! This is certainly a million miles from a Caddick-Mullally-Giddins-Tufnell tail, we could afford to play whoever is the best spin prospect, regardless of batting ability.

Anyway it's certainly in our favour if we can finish them off reasonably quickly tomorrow, but a lot of play left in this yet.

Aye beamer, but (and continuing just in case it was not basically tongue-in-cheek... as "picked for his batting" immediately implies) ...

but in the last 5-8 years England's been used to the Moeens at 8, Swanns and 9 and more recently Broads at 10 (didn't he even bat 11 once or twice?). The plurals of those names are just to give an example of generic ability levels in the various positions, not just the singular identified player.

And I'm saying (or was suggesting) Dawson doesn't strike me as a very solid.dependable 8 - almost back to Gilo levels - Broad has never been the same since he got one on the bonce a couple of years back (although he has at least regained the courage & skill (assisted by necessary luck) to hit out and occasionally harvest useful runs - such as today. Woody CAN also hold a bat on occasion - but that's just it, on occasion. And Jimmy's returned to near-rabbit status, after for a while developing his batsmanship and being good for a double-figure score more often than not.


Otherwise yes, advantage England for sure. But also, remains to be seen. Rabada looks a decent all-rounder, and Bavuma an accomplished bat. As for the tail ... might be half a bat light.

It's hot work though in the field. Root has managed his - admittedly large - bowling stocks quite well so far, I think. Not giving the old men too long flogging spells.


I still don't understand why they picked Dawson ahead of Rashid. Did the latter steal Root's fish supper at a Yorks away game, or pass a remark on Ballance's set-in-clay footwork?

Also Ballance. He's passed Sinatra's number of comebacks - he's starting to rival Dracula's. But it's the same old inadequacies, notably the love of the crease. Successful county performers don't always translate to Test-grade bats.

I don't mind if Dawson cleans up the last wickets, Barry Gallants knocks up a fast ton and then Daws spins them out in the second innings. I have my doubts, but being proved right is never a top priority for me. I juss comments on what I sees, what the indications are.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by tricycle on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 05:06

To be fair, he's the return of the wily English off spinner.

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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by lardbucket on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 14:21

Saffies contain the lead to 100 ... dropped catches responsible for that.

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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by beamer on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 15:20

Yarps use both their reviews inside 10 overs, to lbw appeals against Cook that pitched outside leg and hit outside off... could come back to bite them.

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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by Red on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 15:35

beamer wrote:Yarps use both their reviews inside 10 overs, to lbw appeals against Cook that pitched outside leg and hit outside off... could come back to bite them.

Shows Elgar's inexperience.

Rabada banned for next test; leaves them with a selection dilemma.

De Kock gives his wicket away too easily. Second fastest fifty at Lord's, but he is impetuous.

With Philander injured too, the quota issue looms largely.

Can't believe how depleted SA is, England should be smashing them, though they look like getting over the line comfortably.

Only consolation for SA is that their women are pulverizing India atm.
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by taipan on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 17:21

Red wrote:
beamer wrote:Yarps use both their reviews inside 10 overs, to lbw appeals against Cook that pitched outside leg and hit outside off... could come back to bite them.

Shows Elgar's inexperience.

Rabada banned for next test; leaves them with a selection dilemma.

De Kock gives his wicket away too easily. Second fastest fifty at Lord's, but he is impetuous.

With Philander injured too, the quota issue looms largely.

Can't believe how depleted SA is, England should be smashing them, though they look like getting over the line comfortably.

Only consolation for SA is that their women are pulverizing India atm.

So Red? Did that guy hurt you so much?
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by taipan on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 17:30

And I see Radaba has a match ban for telling Stokes to fark off.

Did Ben's mother phone the ICC?
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Re: England v South Africa, 1st Test, Lord's, 6-10 July, 2017

Post by beamer on Sat 08 Jul 2017, 19:16

Was just a totting-up of offences, one point for this one to add to three for an innocuous physical contact with Sri Lanka's Dickwella in a previous JAMODI. Harsh in any case.

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