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Post by PeterCS on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 01:21

Just curious, ahead of the Ashes later in the year.

The question is, how would you assess characteristics of and differences between the main Aussie Test grounds these days?


Granted that any strip even on the same ground may be different, esp with wind and weather (not to mention drop-in tracks).

Most Australian wickets used to be noted for being hard and thus fast (and hence conducive to fast and shortish bowling). Brisbane used to be noted for baking heat as well - baking the strip as well as the players - and I suppose it still is? I've heard it lamented that Perth has lost some of its zip. Before Hobart arrived, Melbourne used to be noted for being most like English conditions (i.e. rain a distinct possibility), but not necessarily useful for spin. Only the SCG used to be reputed to be realtively favourable to spin to some extent.

By "spin", I mean wrist spin in particular - despite a dip in the 1970s, Australia has generally been noted for the production of at least the odd outstanding leggie (or mystery spinner). Leggies are notoriously - by temperament if not velocity - only fast bowlers in disguise, looking for bounce and attack.

Anyway, that by way of blah-blah preamble.

Any thoughts on Aussie Test grounds, and how they tend to play these days?

No, I'm not asking on behalf of Bayliss and Farbrace. I guess they should know. (And e.g. won't select Roland-Jones if he's likely just to get laced around the ground(s). ~ But then, you never know. Stranger things have happened in the past, and stranger selections made.)
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Post by skully on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 01:26

Gabba - best allround Test pitch these days. Something early (espesh if there's been some Brisvegas rain) then flattens out.

Perth - hard and fast (though not as fast as it once was). Good bowling conditions if the Doctor comes in from Fremantle. Otherwise a flat batting deck and hard work for the bowlers.

Adelaide - flattest wicket in Aus but the pink ball seems to favour the bowlers these days.

Melbourne - a dead drop in.

Sydney - also pretty dead, with generally some help to the spinners on Day 4 and 5.

Hobart - won't be seen in the Ashes, but can be anyway between a green monster and a glassy batting paradise.
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by PeterCS on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 01:27

Thanks Skulls. Extra fast. (The response.) Wink
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by PeterCS on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 01:29

Is the pink ball differently constituted in some way? e.g. Does it wear more slowly, or more inconsistently (on one side)?
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Post by skully on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 02:05

Not sure, Peter. But the 2 Tests played so far have shown the ball to do plenty in the evening session.

The first pink ball Test lasted 3 days, the 2nd went well into Day 4. Most Adelaide Tests usually push well into Day 5.
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Post by horace on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 03:37

The pink ball has made the Adelaide Test better for bowlers. The G drop ins have improved in recent years.
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Post by embee on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 04:45

The new ball will swing in Perth with the morning easterly or the afternoon Doctor from the south west ..."natural" roughage doesnt happen so the ball will need help to reverse

Left armers do well in Perth
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Post by Red on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 10:06

horace wrote:The pink ball has made the Adelaide Test better for bowlers. The G drop ins have improved in recent years.

Agree that Melbourne hasn't been quite as bland the past few years.

The SCG has become far too much of a batting paradise. Last year there was no swing from ball one and Warner made a ton in the session. Pretty good batting, but as critics observed, there should be something in it for the bowlers in session one. Otherwise it can become a boring runfest and the team losing the toss is clearly disadvantaged.
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Post by Big Dog on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 10:46

Red wrote:
horace wrote:The pink ball has made the Adelaide Test better for bowlers. The G drop ins have improved in recent years.

Agree that Melbourne hasn't been quite as bland the past few years.

The SCG has become far too much of a batting paradise. Last year there was no swing from ball one and Warner made a ton in the session. Pretty good batting, but as critics observed, there should be something in it for the bowlers in session one. Otherwise it can become a boring runfest and the team losing the toss is clearly disadvantaged.

Agree. Sydney is not the spinners paradise it once was. Far too many Australian wickets are now prepared to suit our flat track bullies. We can no longer claim to have the most neutral test wickets.
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by skully on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 10:50

PMSL at h & Red. The last 3 Tests in Melbourne have yielded the following:

Aus 530 and 9-318 v India 465 & 6-174 - draw
Aus 3-551 and 3-179 v WI 271 & 282 - Aus win
Aus 8-624 v Pak 9-443 & 163 - Aus win

Bland as a bland can be. Aus victories only happened due to WI rubbish and Pak meeting JtB at Lunch on Day 5 to lose the unloseable. MCG is the worst cricket wicket in Aus.
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by horace on Mon 07 Aug 2017, 23:02

Phurtish
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by PeterCS on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 00:07

Is that an anti-climax version of "BOOM,-tish!" ?
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by skully on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 00:33

horace wrote:Phurtish

Who can forget images of Midge trying to blow air into the ball against India to get more bounce such was the blandness of the heinous MCG drop-in. A bowler killer.
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by Bradman on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 01:26

The Gabba will eventually go that way if they don't keep the rock stars off the ground and nobody shoots Leigh Matthews.
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by horace on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 01:40

PeterCS wrote:Is that an anti-climax version of "BOOM,-tish!" ?

Indeed. A combination of rubbish and phurt, which will only be used on special occasions - like in response to a rare silly Skully post
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by skully on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 02:15

There'd be no need for my well researched responses if you and Red didn't talk such bullshit (driven of course by a mindless craving by Viles not to be seen as inferior to Spivs - as they are). MCG is a qunt of a pitch.
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by horace on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 03:00

It is a fair pitch nowadays. Usually gets a result, inc Shield. The one good thing about the SCG is that the Bloods play there. The appalling spiv weather prolly hampers pitch prep as well as risking washouts.
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by Bradman on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 03:38

Hehehe
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by skully on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 04:31

[Nigel]The first ever ODI was played due to the 3rd Ashes Test at MCG in 1970 being a total washout[/Nigel]
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Re: Question to Aussie forumers (Test grounds in Oz)

Post by horace on Tue 08 Aug 2017, 05:45

Phurtish

Shame......resorting to the upstairs component of Upstairs Downstairs....Shame


But hehehe
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