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Post by skully Wed 17 Jan 2018, 08:32

skully wrote:I hope you're right.

What chance Kenneally will be parachuted into the Senate to replace Dastyari (who many seem to think will fall on his sword)?

Ahem.
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Post by horace Wed 17 Jan 2018, 23:49

here ya go, Oz flag wavers.


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Post by Bradman Thu 18 Jan 2018, 00:49

So what day?
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Post by JGK Thu 18 Jan 2018, 01:15

Bradman wrote:So what day?

27 August?

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Post by embee Thu 18 Jan 2018, 01:15

on my facebook feed someone suggested May 27 which was the referendum day in 1967

someone countered with "What??? ....Celebrate the day WHITE Australia deemed Blacks good enough to be Australians!!!!"

Someone will find something wrong with any day

Jan 26 only offends the professionally offended


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Post by Bradman Thu 18 Jan 2018, 01:39

Actually depending on what history you read it could've been anywhere from the 18th to the 22nd.

May 27th sounds good but I don't think we need to remind ourselves of how badly we've farked up Aboriginal affairs since then.

I personally don't have a clue but I've never really celebrated Oz Day apart from cricket at Adelaide. Most Aboriginal people I know use it as a day of reminder.
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Post by skully Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:02

embee wrote:Jan 26 only offends the professionally offended

This.

As with most things, we laconic Aussies would just shrug and go "Meh" if the day were to be changed to appease the PO.

Personally, I've always thought that the 2nd half of the year was light on Public Holidays so MrK's suggestion could be about right. Forgive me for not getting the significance of the suggestion (is it your birthday?).
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Post by embee Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:03

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
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I want to share this letter sent to me by a woman I regard as a sister. She is a true survivor and the kind of Aboriginal woman our leaders need to listen to, especially Greens Leader Di Natale!! Hear her words and please share her story! -

I’ve spent an hour trying to figure out how to start this letter and there’s no easy or good way to start it, I can’t pretty it up and I can’t be sensitive because I’m just so angry.
Over the last few days we have seen The Greens party cause a huge division between us, Indigenous pitted against Indigenous, Black against whites in what I can say is some of the most vile and racist hate speech I’ve ever seen, those defending the Greens have played right into their hands like the puppets you are, you think you’re smart but you’re not. Have you ever read the story of The Pied piper? The Greens are the piper and you’re the rats.

I see so much screaming and crying over the date, the 26th of January, the national day of Australia, Australia Day but not the correct date of the first fleet arriving, more fool you. So foolish to believe that the people crying for changing the date actually care about you? They don’t care about you! They care about division, widening the gap not closing it, a fool is easily parted from his family.

Not once! Not one time have I seen The Greens or labor speak out, not once have I seen you Indigenous cohorts speak out! Not once! You have never spoken out about stopping the violence, stopping the alcoholism, stopping the child abuse and sexual assault, no, you just want to talk about how “White man” has some how oppressed you. Oppressed you? Excuse you! Most of you leading the pack are well educated, had opportunities some of us only dare dreamed about, you manipulate the mobs, especially the ones less educated or fortunate for your own selfish white hating reasons! Shame on you! Shame shame shame!

I grew up in a violent alcohol fuelled family filled with some of the most abhorrent acts committed upon my mother, upon myself. My childhood wasn’t living, it was surviving from one day to the next. I don’t remember a great Christmas, a birthday that didn’t turn violent a night where I didn’t hide under my blankets hoping that he wouldn’t come into my room. That leads me to ask where were you?

When I was 6 years old, yes SIX, I had my first nervous breakdown, I couldn’t take it anymore and my mind and body gave up, my soul withered and I was but a shell of my former self, but where were you? Were you speaking up for me? Were you there to stop the real oppression the real danger to my life? A lot of you were children yourself but where were the older ones? The mothers, fathers, aunts and uncles? The politicians? The outstretched hand? No you weren’t there!
Where were you when I watched my mother get raped and bashed until you couldn’t recognise who she was? Where were you when he held us all hostage and tried to cut our throats? Where were you when I faced an onslaught of sexual abuse? Where were you when he chased us down and tried bashing my mothers head in with a bullroarer? Where were you when almost every night in my house something violent happened? Where were you when he’d sneak into my room like a thief in the night to steal my childhood? Where were you the first time I tried to kill myself aged 9? There’s so much more and it would take me a week to write it down, but where were you? You weren’t there and you still aren’t there! Luckily for me my grandmother was there, eventually my mother threw me away when I was sexually assaulted yet once again, this time by an “uncle” there was more than one offender that hurt me, I lost count, now that’s sad. Can you change all the dates I was hurt?

You cry and you scream about changing the date while there are children like me, little boys and girls living the same life I did as a child, living in constant fear of violence and sexual abuse. No, white man didn’t oppress me, white man didn’t commit those repulsive abhorrent acts, white man failed me in the way that he failed to take me and my brother away from my mother. But we mustn’t talk about the real issues effecting the indigenous community to this day! To this very day! Is it racist to speak out? NO! You professional victims cry about a date while real victims suffer horrors only seen in nightmares or in a movie, no, that’s not accurate, the greatest horror writer on the planet would cringe if he heard my story, the story of children still suffering today.

You say it’s “racist” to even speak of these issues, it’s not racism, it’s realism. I have no time for you and your virtue signalling change the date crap. Your voice is only loud when you want to play the victim. My grandmother an indigenous elder tried so hard to take me off my mother when I was a baby, but no, the authorities wouldn’t do that as it would be racist so they left me to suffer but I didn’t let that stop me, I didn’t let the abuse and poverty get in my way. Yes I did become an alcoholic when I was 13 it was easy to deal with the pain, then one day I woke up, I was 16 I decided I was not going to let the past destroy my future, I swore to myself I would never turn out like my mother, but I did, for 3 brutal years I did, for 3 brutal years I’d send my babies away out of danger so it was only me, was it racism that drove the police and DOCS to threaten to take my babies if I didn’t leave? Was it racism that saw them drag him away so the kids and I could pack and flee? No, that was humanity, that was addressing the issue, racism didn’t play a part, they didn’t see colour, they seen violence and terror the only difference is there was no grog, no drugs, he did it because he enjoyed it.

So while you’re sitting there with your privilege screaming about changing the date, I’ll be sitting here with no privilege except for what I’ve given to myself and I’ll be speaking out about the real issues and fighting for justice for myself and for every other child that is a mirror of me. Personally I’ll keep the date, some of the good memories I have is from that date, you see I spent most Australia Days with my nan, she would have BBQ’s where family and friends would get togeather and play cricket and laugh, us kids would play and play, I never wanted those days to end. My nan always taught me that it was about unity not division, she taught me not to hate, she told me stories of old passed down and from her own memories, she taught me not to hate the people of today for the sins of yesterday, my nan was all about love and without her I wouldn’t be the strong proud woman I am today. On Australia Day, celebrate don’t hate.

That’s all I have to say, I’m getting too upset, the memories of the past never fade to a living victim, a real victim, but we go on, stronger louder and prouder.
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Post by skully Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:07

What medium did you read this in, A?

I hope that soapboxing buffoon Di Natale reads the same outlet. If not, someone needs to send it to him. Powerful stuff.
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Post by embee Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:12

facebook , skully

Perth - Have a Whinge shared it from Ms Price
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Post by lardbucket Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:15

extraordinary passion and a perspective that should not be dismissed

Linda Burney spoke very sensibly about this issue the other day also.

Personally I am not opposed to a change of date, but I think there are far more important things to address.

If there is to be a change of date, it should be decided by referendum after dates are suggested by those interested, and there is an opportunity to object to candidate dates. Any date to which there are a significant number of objections would not be an option on the referendum.

One date which appeals to me is 9 May, the date the first Parliament was opened (in Melbourne) and also (perhaps coincidentally) the date on which Old Parliament House in Canberra was opened. A date significant for the federation and for the capital. Federation Day, perhaps.

Australia Day has previously been celebrated on other days (eg July 30 or 31 from memory) early last century, so a future change from January 26 is not a tragedy; but I don't think it needs to be rushed, and Di Natale's attention-seeking is unhelpful.





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Post by skully Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:17

Just sent it to Di Natale.
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Post by Bradman Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:30

Don't hate, but celebrate. The date is immaterial, it's the way you treat it that matters. Celebrate your survival, turn your back on the flag (fark burn one if that helps), hold your own first fleet re-enactment with a different outcome, hold a silent vigil, hold a noisy one WTF you do don't get the date changed. The date's a joke but the minute we give you that we can do what we did in'67 and say "see how nice we are, now come back and see us in another 50 years".
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Post by horace Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:31

Bradman wrote:So what day?

There is 364 other days, with the extra every fourth year.  

Hmmn Feb 29 would make it very special. Leaps of faith et al celebrated every four years.

Warnie's birthday? 

Dec 25 would be ok too, those pine trees could also carry Oz flag decorations. 

Melbourne Cup day is supported around the country as a national day but poor bastards outside Melb don't get a day off.

Federation Day would be ok, signifying the beginning of the separation from Pomgolia and a modicum of independence. Bit like Seppo Independence Day, but not as good. When Oz becomes a sovereign republic that day could commemorate Independence.
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Post by horace Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:38

woops ...ntr Horrrie....had not read Lardy's post.
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Post by Bradman Thu 18 Jan 2018, 02:55

The day we vote to become a republic would be a nice date. But as there's as much chance of that happening as there is some real forward movement in Aboriginal affairs I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by horace Thu 18 Jan 2018, 03:40

Bradman wrote:The day we vote to become a republic would be a nice date.  But as there's as much chance of that happening as there is some real forward movement in Aboriginal affairs I'm not holding my breath.

Not in my lifetime. On the Aboriginal Affairs issues there is some progress, particularly in healthier pregnancies and better early childhood development ... but turning around things like life expectancy gaps is a long grind for the next generation and a half.
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Post by Bradman Thu 18 Jan 2018, 04:31

horace wrote:
Bradman wrote:The day we vote to become a republic would be a nice date.  But as there's as much chance of that happening as there is some real forward movement in Aboriginal affairs I'm not holding my breath.

Not in my lifetime. On the Aboriginal Affairs issues there is some progress, particularly in healthier pregnancies and better early childhood development ... but turning around things like life expectancy gaps is a long grind for the next generation and a half.

See. This is why the date shouldn't be changed. It's the one time of the year people start to really reflect on the bigger issues. Without all those crazy leftie councils people would shrug and say "meh".
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Post by lardbucket Thu 18 Jan 2018, 04:54

lardbucket wrote:extraordinary passion and a perspective that should not be dismissed

Linda Burney spoke very sensibly about this issue the other day also.

Personally I am not opposed to a change of date, but I think there are far more important things to address.

If there is to be a change of date, it should be decided by referendum after dates are suggested by those interested, and there is an opportunity to object to candidate dates. Any date to which there are a significant number of objections would not be an option on the referendum.

One date which appeals to me is 9 May, the date the first Parliament was opened (in Melbourne) and also (perhaps coincidentally) the date on which Old Parliament House in Canberra was opened. A date significant for the federation and for the capital. Federation Day, perhaps.

Australia Day has previously been celebrated on other days (eg July 30 or 31 from memory) early last century, so a future change from January 26 is not a tragedy; but I don't think it needs to be rushed, and Di Natale's attention-seeking is unhelpful.

July 30 it was

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/07/27/4281586.htm


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Post by Bradman Thu 18 Jan 2018, 04:58

Wasn't that uber rascist Henry Parkes opposed to the idea of a national day because "we don't want to remind them how we stole their country".
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Post by lardbucket Thu 18 Jan 2018, 05:01

sounds plausible

I blame the Dubbers for the Australia Day debacle.

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Post by horace Thu 18 Jan 2018, 05:05

lardbucket wrote:sounds plausible

I blame the Dubbers for the Australia Day debacle.

Aye. Most of us can agree on that.

the llr was key into ramping it up into a flag waving nationalistic wankathon
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Post by JGK Thu 18 Jan 2018, 05:24

lardbucket wrote:sounds plausible

I blame the Dubbers for the Australia Day debacle.

At least we have some Aborigines left to complain about it...

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Post by lardbucket Thu 18 Jan 2018, 05:31

That's dangerous talk ... there are still plenty down here that would not like your inference!


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Post by horace Thu 18 Jan 2018, 05:35

aye ... and I am mates with two of them
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