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Re: Australia v England, 1st Test, Brisbane, 23-27 November, 2017
JGK wrote:Nath wrote:radio saying Anderson might have a side strain
Not really going to help us when we chase 450 to win.
Yuuuurrrrrsssssss ......
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Dello wrote:I think Root has put more revs on the ball than Moeen in this game.
Very ordinary.
Our Joe does give it a bit of "sling-and-loop". Mo's is the flatter, more persistent delivery, which needs more out of the pitch, because there's far less fizz.
Hence Mo will need the pitch to flake a bit (seems very unlikely at Brizzy), if he is not to wait till the "southern" grounds for some dividend. Crane might be needed for a couple of Tests. He could take the place mysteriously occupied by Ball, for no loss, for example.
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Henry wrote:England should pick Tymal Mills purely to bowl fast Yorkers at Australa’s tail.
He's a 4-overs-a-match man since his body gave way.
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Stray thoughts:
Top knock by Smithy. Apart from anything else, for all his odd technique, tremendous application & perseverance, matched by few if any in this game. Admittedly, a relatively toothless attack to face - the better England batting efforts have had to battle harder.
Cummins - good look to his batting, has put in a strong bid for #8 spot. On the other hand, he may be better off where he is, with lower expectation - a good score and substantial contribution to yet another energy- and morale-sapping fightback by Australia from a weak batting position on their own pitches is perhaps best kept to 9, to cook the Poms' goose as often as possible.
Even though he struggled and struggled and could of course have been gone, kudos to Stoneman. A Mudgean kiss of death (turning the Man to Stone?) perhaps, but I like his grit. Is it Northern grit? He may yet be a keeper, even if he departs soon in the morning. He is no fly-by-night, unlike others who have come and quickly gone.
I'm not going to wheel out the SLOGAN, but the sooner Hameed can get back his consistency from before the bone breakage, the better. He is another who, even if he gets out, looks the part as opener.
The sooner ... because Cook is now a liability to the team, and this time may stay that way. Twice over, when they've needed an innings, substandard thinking, poor play, demoralisation for the rest of the batters right at the top.
The two most predictable things about questionable selections by Bayliss and Co (at least they didn't select Ballance, and I hope in panic they resist at least that temptation) are that Vince would be a greenhorn and fail, and Ball would be "about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest", as the cruel old saying goes. ... Well, Vince came good once, then succumbed the second time. Ball on the other hand .... why? Overton, or (esp in hindsight - easier) Crane would have made some sort of sense.
It's on the other hand disappointing for England followers to see how Woakes has wilted back to Blokes on his Aussie Test debut. Warm-up games gave genuine grounds for hope - even another surprise-surprise Brezzylad of 2010-11. Maybe he's overawed, or something. But he'd better get a shift on, and put more rational thinking into what he's doing, if he's not going to be just another Flop Dahnanda.
Top knock by Smithy. Apart from anything else, for all his odd technique, tremendous application & perseverance, matched by few if any in this game. Admittedly, a relatively toothless attack to face - the better England batting efforts have had to battle harder.
Cummins - good look to his batting, has put in a strong bid for #8 spot. On the other hand, he may be better off where he is, with lower expectation - a good score and substantial contribution to yet another energy- and morale-sapping fightback by Australia from a weak batting position on their own pitches is perhaps best kept to 9, to cook the Poms' goose as often as possible.
Even though he struggled and struggled and could of course have been gone, kudos to Stoneman. A Mudgean kiss of death (turning the Man to Stone?) perhaps, but I like his grit. Is it Northern grit? He may yet be a keeper, even if he departs soon in the morning. He is no fly-by-night, unlike others who have come and quickly gone.
I'm not going to wheel out the SLOGAN, but the sooner Hameed can get back his consistency from before the bone breakage, the better. He is another who, even if he gets out, looks the part as opener.
The sooner ... because Cook is now a liability to the team, and this time may stay that way. Twice over, when they've needed an innings, substandard thinking, poor play, demoralisation for the rest of the batters right at the top.
The two most predictable things about questionable selections by Bayliss and Co (at least they didn't select Ballance, and I hope in panic they resist at least that temptation) are that Vince would be a greenhorn and fail, and Ball would be "about as much use as a one-legged man in an arse-kicking contest", as the cruel old saying goes. ... Well, Vince came good once, then succumbed the second time. Ball on the other hand .... why? Overton, or (esp in hindsight - easier) Crane would have made some sort of sense.
It's on the other hand disappointing for England followers to see how Woakes has wilted back to Blokes on his Aussie Test debut. Warm-up games gave genuine grounds for hope - even another surprise-surprise Brezzylad of 2010-11. Maybe he's overawed, or something. But he'd better get a shift on, and put more rational thinking into what he's doing, if he's not going to be just another Flop Dahnanda.
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Smith's last 46 Tests since his maiden ton at the Oval in 2013 (which, ahem, I was there for):
46 83 innings 14no, 4891 runs at 70.88 21x100 16x50
46 83 innings 14no, 4891 runs at 70.88 21x100 16x50
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Useful figures from the once and hopefully not future SF.
Absorbing day's cricket. I even got excited. " That's awkward." said the Nurse.
Absorbing day's cricket. I even got excited. " That's awkward." said the Nurse.
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Great effort by Aus to turn advantage England at Lunch to advantage Aus at Stumps.
Classic Test ton by Tweek, and great effort by the tail to help Aus scratch a small lead. The the bowlers went to work.
Hopefully the pitch is somewhere near its quickest tomorrow and the bowlers are fired up.
Classic Test ton by Tweek, and great effort by the tail to help Aus scratch a small lead. The the bowlers went to work.
Hopefully the pitch is somewhere near its quickest tomorrow and the bowlers are fired up.
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First session tomorrow should go a long way to deciding the outcome.
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Anderson and Broad are extraordinarily good, given how bad they once were, but we shouldn't use their excellence as ammunition against the rest of the attack who are, for better or worse, achieving what they're capable of. Ali and Woakes have all-round roles that they need to fulfill, whereas Ball is miles away from being a Test player at the moment. For all that those 3 are a disappointment, it is still our batting collapse, and Cook's idiotic dismissal, that have surrendered the initiative to Australia. The batsmen owe it to Anderson and Broad to actually graft for some hard runs now, with somebody stepping up and getting a hundred. If they don't, it will just be another case for me of our poor batting unit losing us a match, although it will be the unusual suspects this time, instead of the new guys who have so far pulled their weight.
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Not seen anything in this game that has caused any revision of my pre-series assessment: England don't have the batting to make scores of substance, or the bowling to remove Australia cheaply.
Given how awfully they've played the short ball on a slow sponge cake, I think defeat in Perth is a guarantee... yeah, this is going to be another shitewash.
Given how awfully they've played the short ball on a slow sponge cake, I think defeat in Perth is a guarantee... yeah, this is going to be another shitewash.
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I think we've got a fighting chance at Adelaide and whilst Australia are obviously favourites for this one it could still go either way.
I predicted 3-1 but I might adjust that to 4-1 as not sure we are going to see any draws with these batting line ups.
Despite them happening twice within a decade, 5-0 has only ever happened 3 times so to have another within a decade of the last two would be extraordinary.
I predicted 3-1 but I might adjust that to 4-1 as not sure we are going to see any draws with these batting line ups.
Despite them happening twice within a decade, 5-0 has only ever happened 3 times so to have another within a decade of the last two would be extraordinary.
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Some very good points raised here.. Agree with Vilky. Unless there are washoutts, the fragility of both line ups suggests there will be five results.
The difference is in the quality of the bowling. Malfoy and to a lesser extent Jimmeh tried hard and were effective. Brisbanal offers the best circumstances for Jimmeh. Strained side or not, I doubt he will play all Tests. I expect the support cast will have learned a lot and will improve.. Crane who understands Oz wickets should prolly get a go.
I was impressed by each of the English batsmen making their Ashes debuts. I feel for Cook and Root. Both underachieved here last time and risk the same.
The Cook and Vince dismissals give Oz some momentum, but they still have to bat last and any run chase near 200+ will likely be beyond them.
A couple of individual players aside, these are two ordinary teams. The selection of both Paine and (yet again) S Marsh underscores the trough Oz is in. I still cannot see Oz.winning this series, but it will be closer than I initially thought it would be.
The difference is in the quality of the bowling. Malfoy and to a lesser extent Jimmeh tried hard and were effective. Brisbanal offers the best circumstances for Jimmeh. Strained side or not, I doubt he will play all Tests. I expect the support cast will have learned a lot and will improve.. Crane who understands Oz wickets should prolly get a go.
I was impressed by each of the English batsmen making their Ashes debuts. I feel for Cook and Root. Both underachieved here last time and risk the same.
The Cook and Vince dismissals give Oz some momentum, but they still have to bat last and any run chase near 200+ will likely be beyond them.
A couple of individual players aside, these are two ordinary teams. The selection of both Paine and (yet again) S Marsh underscores the trough Oz is in. I still cannot see Oz.winning this series, but it will be closer than I initially thought it would be.
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/five-things-we-learned-cummins-could-solve-allrounder-crisis-maxis-back-and-quicks-breath-fire/news-story/c3c5c0e29eab355ab7ba2acab8ea4a1c
according to our moron commentators, Cummins could be an all-rounder.
according to our moron commentators, Cummins could be an all-rounder.
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So, essentially a one-innings game now with us, what, 11 for 2 ?
IF .... Root & Stoneman can bat 'til lunch, one of them can stay in until after tea, AND we can get something around 200 before close, Australia will have to work hard to make it batting last.
I must admit, I'm beginning to see Steve Smith the way I saw Athers (although not in Ashes matches). As long as he was there, I never felt that the game was lost.
If Smith goes early, the match is balanced IMO - if he gets in, Australia must be long odds favourites to win.
IF .... Root & Stoneman can bat 'til lunch, one of them can stay in until after tea, AND we can get something around 200 before close, Australia will have to work hard to make it batting last.
I must admit, I'm beginning to see Steve Smith the way I saw Athers (although not in Ashes matches). As long as he was there, I never felt that the game was lost.
If Smith goes early, the match is balanced IMO - if he gets in, Australia must be long odds favourites to win.
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Things are not looking great.
The pairing of Fleming and Swann makes me pine for the likes of Bumble and Warney.
I'd even take Tubby and Healy over Fleming and Swann.
If any of you Aussie forummers are at the game I'll wire you good money to take them out. And a bonus if you can do it whilst they're live on air.
Oh yeah the cricket's not bad too (especially when neither of those 'listen to me, listen to me I'm so effing hilarious' imbeciles is on).
Beyond Anderson and Broad our bowling is poop.
Cook looks like his reflexes aren't quite up to snuff against proper quick stuff any more.
And Woakes...ahh good old Woakes. He's ace. Acer than ace. Acer than Ian Bell.
The pairing of Fleming and Swann makes me pine for the likes of Bumble and Warney.
I'd even take Tubby and Healy over Fleming and Swann.
If any of you Aussie forummers are at the game I'll wire you good money to take them out. And a bonus if you can do it whilst they're live on air.
Oh yeah the cricket's not bad too (especially when neither of those 'listen to me, listen to me I'm so effing hilarious' imbeciles is on).
Beyond Anderson and Broad our bowling is poop.
Cook looks like his reflexes aren't quite up to snuff against proper quick stuff any more.
And Woakes...ahh good old Woakes. He's ace. Acer than ace. Acer than Ian Bell.
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Pretty anaemic start by the Aus quicks.
C'mon!!!! Dig it in!!!!
C'mon!!!! Dig it in!!!!
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skully wrote:Pretty anaemic start by the Aus quicks.
C'mon!!!! Dig it in!!!!
That'll be the Woakes effect. Things start off promosingly then get gradually more anaemic until all life is sapped out of them and all they can do is trot up and lob down nothing balls, followed by a big puffing of cheeks as if to hint that was a good one.
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Not sure if Cummins has got the Woakes memo. Looks like he's trying.
That's just not cricket
Well not the type of cricket needed to stretch out this series of averagedom.
That's just not cricket
Well not the type of cricket needed to stretch out this series of averagedom.
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Elmer gets Stoneman!!!!
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Uggghh.
Nice ball.
But coulda shoulda left it?
Nice ball.
But coulda shoulda left it?
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Lyon is getting spin out of the footmarks to the left handlers. Why not send right handed Bairstow in? Oh well.......
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Swann (I think it was him - on one of the only interesting things he's ever said) did a good piece on Lyon the other day. Says he's got 2 balls - his go-to ball, like the one that just got Stoneman, which has the seam quite upright and will always turn off the straight. His other, rarely used, is the quicker striaght on with the seam much more horizontal and not overspinning.
If that's the case then surely the batsman needs to be able to see that and play accordingly.
Or maybe the chinster was just talking bollocks.
If that's the case then surely the batsman needs to be able to see that and play accordingly.
Or maybe the chinster was just talking bollocks.
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Well if there’s one thing Swanny should know a bit about, it’s off spin.
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Time for Root to emulate his counterpart otherwise this could get ugly.
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Henry wrote:Well if there’s one thing Swanny should know a bit about, it’s off spin.
Judging by his comms stints I'd say it's the only thing he knows a bit about.
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