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Post by JKLever Wed 02 Jun 2010, 16:54

What a way to go eh? Cycling to work and take a double barrelled in the head from some randomer Shocked

There but for the grace of god etc, etc
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Post by Guest Wed 02 Jun 2010, 17:34

Jesus, just down the road from me. Very sad 😢 .

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Post by eowyn Wed 02 Jun 2010, 19:23

Scary. Life throws many unexpected curves ay any time.

RIP to the dead and good thoughts for those injured and the bereaved.
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Post by Allan D Wed 02 Jun 2010, 19:30

Hungerford - 1987, Dunblane - 1996 and now Whitehaven - 2010. All random massacres carried out by nutters who had (presumably - Whitehaven to be confirmed) legally acquired firearms in rural or semi-rural areas (knives seem to be the weapons of choice in the inner cities apart from drug gangs).

Tighter gun laws seem to have no effect in preventing these incidents and merely disarm the sane at the expense of the insane. Perhaps if Joe Public were in a position to shoot back even the nutters might think twice before going on the rampage.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Wed 02 Jun 2010, 20:02

This is awful. RIP Sad
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Post by Guest Wed 02 Jun 2010, 20:27

Allan D wrote:Hungerford - 1987, Dunblane - 1996 and now Whitehaven - 2010. All random massacres carried out by nutters who had (presumably - Whitehaven to be confirmed) legally acquired firearms in rural or semi-rural areas (knives seem to be the weapons of choice in the inner cities apart from drug gangs).

Tighter gun laws seem to have no effect in preventing these incidents and merely disarm the sane at the expense of the insane. Perhaps if Joe Public were in a position to shoot back even the nutters might think twice before going on the rampage.
Indeed, America is proof of this.

Oh wait...

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Post by skully Wed 02 Jun 2010, 21:17

Lordy, that's nasty. Shocked
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Post by Allan D Wed 02 Jun 2010, 21:21

Well, contrary to popular belief most of the states have fairly strict gun laws and the level of private gun ownership is not that much different to Britain. Most of the random 'nutter' killings occur in environments where those frequenting them are generally unarmed such as schools and college campuses e.g. Columbine and Virginia Tech. Even the Fort Hood shooting took place in an area where the soldiers were discouraged from carrying weapons.

Switzerland is an example where legally-owned weapons are common and yet there is very little gun crime or, indeed, crime in general.
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Post by PeterCS Wed 02 Jun 2010, 22:22

Allan D wrote:Well, contrary to popular belief most of the states have fairly strict gun laws and the level of private gun ownership is not that much different to Britain. Most of the random 'nutter' killings occur in environments where those frequenting them are generally unarmed such as schools and college campuses e.g. Columbine and Virginia Tech. Even the Fort Hood shooting took place in an area where the soldiers were discouraged from carrying weapons.

Switzerland is an example where legally-owned weapons are common and yet there is very little gun crime or, indeed, crime in general.
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Maybe - but you can't legislate for insane grudges, even in such a closely-policed and highly civilised society such as Switzerland.

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Post by skully Wed 02 Jun 2010, 22:23

Is there a linky to this story. What was the dude's motivation? Or just a crazy farker?
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Post by skully Wed 02 Jun 2010, 22:25

Nevermind

A taxi driver killed 12 people and injured several others before ending his own life in a horrific shooting spree in northern England.

Derrick Bird's three-and-a-half-hour rampage across Cumbria on Wednesday shocked police and locals who battled to try to understand what could have motivated him.

Cumbria police deputy chief constable Stuart Hyde described the shootings, which left 25 people badly injured, as a "terrifying and horrific" attack.

He said detectives did not yet know what motivated Bird, but promised a full investigation into the gunman's history, access to firearms and possible motives.

"This has shocked the people of Cumbria and around the country to the core," he told reporters.

"We're not able to understand at this stage the real motivation behind it or establish whether this was a pre-meditated or a random attack."

Bird launched his killing spree shortly after 10.30am local time (1930 AEST), fatally shooting a man at a taxi rank in the seaside town of Whitehaven.

Armed with two guns, he is then believed to have headed south and shot more people in the towns of Gosforth, Seascale and Egremont.

One victim, Garry Purdham, a popular rugby league-playing farmer, was shot while trimming hedges in a field in the village of Gosforth.

Witnesses said Bird had driven up alongside Purdham, wound down the window and shot him shortly before midday.

The body of another woman, believed to be in her 60s, was found by a man outside his house in Egremont.

Billy Boakes, 23, said he heard two gunshots before finding the woman's body and that witnesses had told him how Bird had apparently shot her at random.

"He stopped his car, got out the car, got his gun out, went up to her and just shot her in the stomach," he said.

"There were two more people just further down the road and nothing happened to them. It was obviously the case of him just shooting random people."

"She was just on the pavement with a couple of shopping bags in her hand."

Cyclist Barrie Moss was cycling home from Egremont when Bird aimed his weapon at him, then drove away.

"He turned around and stared at me and he had this absolutely huge sniper rifle," Mr Moss told the BBC.

"It was almost touching the floor, massive scope and everything.

"He scurried into the car and drove off and that's when I saw on the floor behind the car there was a woman lying down with bags of shopping and a handbag.

"I phoned the police straight away. (As) a friend of mine ... got next to her, he said there was blood all over her.

"She was still breathing but she was unconscious. Five minutes later she just stopped breathing."

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And it goes on. Fark, that is bad. Shocked


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Post by Guest Wed 02 Jun 2010, 22:26

skully wrote:Is there a linky to this story. What was the dude's motivation? Or just a crazy farker?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10219655.stm

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Post by skully Wed 02 Jun 2010, 22:29

Cheers vilks, but found the story pretty quickly. Nasty, nasty biz. No
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Post by Allan D Wed 02 Jun 2010, 22:48

No legislating for nuttiness:

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Officers arrest the perpetrator who was drunk and did not possess a permit for the weapon.

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Despite the abundance of firearms, Switzerland is blessed with a low crime rate, and security around public buildings is minimal.

Many of the country's leading politicians have no police protection. Easy access to government is regarded as an enduring virtue of Switzerland's "direct democracy".

Again, the nutter seemed to be assured of a weapons-free environmennt.
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Post by PeterCS Wed 02 Jun 2010, 23:00

I wasn't contradicting your claims about Switzerland, Allan. I was getting at something else.

Well, two other things, to be exact.
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Post by Guest Wed 02 Jun 2010, 23:03

Allan D wrote:No legislating for nuttiness:

2010

Officers arrest the perpetrator who was drunk and did not possess a permit for the weapon.

2001

Despite the abundance of firearms, Switzerland is blessed with a low crime rate, and security around public buildings is minimal.

Many of the country's leading politicians have no police protection. Easy access to government is regarded as an enduring virtue of Switzerland's "direct democracy".

Again, the nutter seemed to be assured of a weapons-free environmennt.
I still don't quite see how this backs up your assertion that having the right to bare arms would somehow lower gun crime.

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Post by Lara Lara Laughs Wed 02 Jun 2010, 23:16

Allan D wrote:Hungerford - 1987, Dunblane - 1996 and now Whitehaven - 2010. All random massacres carried out by nutters who had (presumably - Whitehaven to be confirmed) legally acquired firearms in rural or semi-rural areas (knives seem to be the weapons of choice in the inner cities apart from drug gangs).

Tighter gun laws seem to have no effect in preventing these incidents and merely disarm the sane at the expense of the insane. Perhaps if Joe Public were in a position to shoot back even the nutters might think twice before going on the rampage.

Cor. A domestic M.A.D policy. Only Alan D would turn a massacre into a discourse on the beauty of the NRA.

What's that? Too many hand grenades going off? Let's give everyone a hand grenade. That ought sort it.

Go to a shooting range. Turn off Hannity. Get a grip.

Apart from that, good to see you again, Allan! aces
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Post by Allan D Wed 02 Jun 2010, 23:53

vilkrang wrote:I still don't quite see how this backs up your assertion that having the right to bare arms would somehow lower gun crime.

"Bare arms":

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Post by Guest Thu 03 Jun 2010, 00:02

Very well Allan, pick up on the typo but conveniently forget to defend your ridiculously illogical suggestions.

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Post by DJ_Smerk Thu 03 Jun 2010, 00:05

Not again?
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Post by Hass Thu 03 Jun 2010, 00:07

Gun laws need to be tailored to suit a country's culture. There is no one-size-fits-all panacea out there.

I'm happy I live in a place where tough restrictions generally work. But there are other places *cough* Texas *cough* where the phrase "an armed society is a polite society" really rings through.

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Post by DJ_Smerk Thu 03 Jun 2010, 00:09

Religious and armed.
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Post by Allan D Thu 03 Jun 2010, 00:09

vilkrang wrote:Very well Allan, pick up on the typo but conveniently forget to defend your ridiculously illogical suggestions.

Despite the abundance of firearms, Switzerland is blessed with a low crime rate, and security around public buildings is minimal.

Maybe if you change the word at the beginning of the quote to 'Because of' you might get a clue.
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Post by Allan D Thu 03 Jun 2010, 00:14

DJ_Smerk wrote:Religious and armed.

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Post by Guest Thu 03 Jun 2010, 00:24

Allan D wrote:
vilkrang wrote:Very well Allan, pick up on the typo but conveniently forget to defend your ridiculously illogical suggestions.

Despite the abundance of firearms, Switzerland is blessed with a low crime rate, and security around public buildings is minimal.

Maybe if you change the word at the beginning of the quote to 'Because of' you might get a clue.
Low crime rate, not low gun crime rate. Gun crime rate in Switzerland is still higher than in the UK.

I'm actually astounded that you think that relaxing the gun laws in England will lead to less gun crime. The man who committed these atrocities today was clearly a bit whacky, I very much doubt that someone who is in the frame of mind to go on a killing spree that they know will end in them dying, would be put off by knowing that someone else might also own a firearm.

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