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Freddie Flintoff on ball tampering - questions Starc

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Post by Red Tue 10 Apr 2018, 01:16

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/andrew-flintoff-issues-balltampering-warning-to-exteammates-questions-mitch-starc/news-story/cc29c425ff9cc9b3a02c1cedcd5d5c3d

Fred thinks the punishments are too harsh and believes Starc would have known about the ball tampering, especially the way the ball was hooping about.

It seems most in cricket circles agree that it's been quite widespread.

Nonetheless, it's generally accepted that the punishment was just as much about the culture, and the lies and conspiracy than the actual ball tampering.

It is presumably also a deterrent to those who might go down this path again.
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Post by Bradman Tue 10 Apr 2018, 03:05

Well it was obviously the lies and deceptions along with the treatment of a junior player that triggered the harsher sentence.

Not sure about Starc. Probably guilty of realizing what was going on.
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Post by skully Tue 10 Apr 2018, 03:13

Ironic that Freddie was being interviewed by Vawn (yes, Captain Mint Shiner), who was one of the most vocal haters when the story broke.
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Post by Fred Nerk Tue 10 Apr 2018, 03:59

Fish swim, birds fly, Vorgan shit-stirs, nothing ironic in the Alanis sense or any other there - except maybe Vorgs and Freddie seeming to have a similar group dynamic to DD and Bangers.

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Post by Bradman Tue 10 Apr 2018, 04:54

Maybe Vaughan's attitude throughout has been to differentiate honest ball tampering from despicable colonial ball tampering.
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Post by lardbucket Tue 10 Apr 2018, 09:17

Absolutely old boy. Only with the best British mints.

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Post by taipan Tue 10 Apr 2018, 09:19

Mint Imperials?
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Post by Guest Tue 10 Apr 2018, 09:23

Seems to be an opinion among players that directly altering the ball with an object taken on to the field is sacrilege whereas altering it with saliva from a sweet is more of a grey area.

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Post by lardbucket Tue 10 Apr 2018, 09:24

Where does gravel in the pocket or sandpaper sewn inside a trouser leg fit in?

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Apr 2018, 09:34

Don't see any difference between that and what Bancroft did.

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Post by lardbucket Tue 10 Apr 2018, 09:51

Exactly.

Bottle tops, finger nails, teeth and zippers have also been used to abrade the ball by various Test players for decades, never mind Vaseline or Brylcreme.

Mints are no different. It's still a deliberate attempt to change the condition of the ball. Outside the laws.

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Apr 2018, 10:35

I didn't say it wasn't, just commented on what players seem to think.

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Post by PeterCS Tue 10 Apr 2018, 10:36

Just scratching the surface here ...
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Post by PeterCS Tue 10 Apr 2018, 10:38

"Who watered the wicket in Melbourne?", as Goldberg remarked.
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