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Post by horace on Fri 11 May 2018, 01:23

Cream's song "Strange Brew" has come to stick in my brain as an allegory that anticipates the Internet and social media and more accurately, my own tendency to get lost for periods of time going down burrows and pot holes. I actually never rated the song.

Some time in the wee hours of the morning, I happened on an article referencing Saul Alinsky. Alinsky, like the best named radical of the 20th Century - Studs Terkel, was a hero of mine in the late 60s and early 70's . He was a consummate Seppo organiser of community action among America's dispossessed. Alinsky died in 1972, a year after publication of his theoretically bereft but tactically rich pragmatic text - Rules for Radicals. I foolishly ended up dismissing his contribution and had not thought about him for decades.

You can look him up yourselves on the 'Net if you wish. FWIW.... He was the sort of bloke that I now wish I had met to have a yarn with and more so to have learned from as a family member or mentor.

I have always revered three Oz keepers: Tallon, the genius, Grout, the scrapper and Bert Oldfield, remembered unfairly just for being felled by Larwood in Bodyline, but a wonderful keeper in his own right. Kids like me in Melbourne bought their treasured kit at Merrett-Hassett Sports Store. Spiv kids a bit younger than Skully went to Bert Oldfield's store.

In the Strange Brew of the Net, this morning I was also hunting down some stuff about Ethiopia. Oz has had an odd relationship with Ethiopia. You can't trundle around Ethiopia and many other parts of Africa without seeing Oz eucalypts and recognising the particular pungent smell it makes when burnt.

Haile Selassie is credited/blamed as largely responsible for the introduction of Oz eucalypts to Africa. He and more particularly ,his advisors recognised the humble gum tree was hardy, quick growing and made good charcoal. Like rabbits in Oz, possums in NZ, the humble gum tree has proved a scourge on the African environment.

Anyways going down the various rabbit holes, I found reference to a Bert Oldfield led cricket tour of Ethiopia. I don't know if this was news to me or something my aged brain had forgotten. Anyhoo it made me think again how much much I would have loved to have met Bert and drunk in his advice on both keeping and life.

I remembered the great friendship Bert and Harold formed. For me such friendships are akin to the oft reported socialist comradeship between German and opponent forces across the trenches of the First World War, where all recognised they were fighting the fight of nobs. Bert was lucky to survive WW1, so was cricket.

So, emerging from the Strange Brew of the Net, today I feel strengthened in the memory of both Saul and Bert. I wish I had met them and learned from both. Two remarkable blokes who I wish were Uncles or mentors.

Am sure every FB poster can tell similar and no doubt miles better stories about who they would have liked as a family member/mentor.

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Post by embee on Fri 11 May 2018, 02:30

In Woz the two main cricket related stores are Slater-Gartrell's and Mueleman's

Keith Slater played a Test for Oz , was a great footballer for Swan Districts and later a very good commentator on the ABC (with George Grljusich) of both WAFL footy and Shield cricket

Bruce Yardley also worked there 

Having a yarn with either of these blokes (or one of the many other cricketers they employed from time to time) made the enjoyable experience of shopping for cricket gear even more enjoyable 

Yardley sold me my first cricket helmet as a 13 year old (I had smashed my front teeth out trying to smash a spinner so needed the lid to protect the new fangs)

I asked him would it hurt if a ball hit the helmet...before I could finish asking he had picked up a ball and pinged it into the helmet I was wearing ...didnt feel a thing ...and the lid had a cheery on it from Bruce Yardley ...great memory for me 

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Post by Bradman on Fri 11 May 2018, 02:56

Nice h. Maybe a bit more poignant if you has written it in the weekend hours but welcome anyway. Especially if it drags out more stuff like embers.
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Post by Bradman on Fri 11 May 2018, 02:57

In the farking "wee" hours q.
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Post by horace on Fri 11 May 2018, 04:50

Bradman wrote:In the farking "wee" hours q.

well one of the curses of antiquity for ole blokes is the prostate.

Nice stories from Embee. I was a fan of the three mad wozzarians he mentioned.
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Post by Bradman on Fri 11 May 2018, 04:57

I normally wake up hungry and make an. Omelette washed down with stuff that then wakes me up a couple of times. Not ideal.

You ever find out more about Oldfield in Ethiopia?
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Post by horace on Fri 11 May 2018, 05:21

Yep. Either Menzies or Curtin sent him to lead a bunch of spiv schoolboy cricketers on a goodwill tour during WW2. Ethiopia suffered terribly at the hands of Mussolini's fascists during the War. Couldn't find match details. Bert had been a medic/stretcher bearer during ww1 and was lucky to survive.

Oz had several State visits from the Emperor's family last century.

Was there five years ago and had an interesting time. An amazing country with its polyglot cultures. Had several yarns with resident Rastas who when not trying to flog various substances were more than happy to talk cricket, Marley, Jimmy Cliff (too radical for those stoners) etc.
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Post by Bradman on Fri 11 May 2018, 05:37

horace wrote:Yep. Either Menzies or Curtin sent him to lead a bunch of spiv schoolboy cricketers on a goodwill tour during WW2. Ethiopia suffered terribly at the hands of Mussolini's fascists during the War. Couldn't find match details. Bert had been a medic/stretcher bearer during ww1 and was lucky to survive.

Oz had several State visits from the Emperor's family last century.

Was there five years ago and had an interesting time. An amazing country with its polyglot cultures. Had several yarns with resident Rastas who when not trying to flog various substances were more than happy to talk cricket, Marley, Jimmy Cliff (too radical for those stoners) etc.

Actually they suffered pretty badly before the war unless you were talking about their war. Cricket had always had somewhat of a cult following throughout Africa even in former non-British colonies. Obviously that came to a grinding halt in Ethiopia when the Sovs rolled in.
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Post by lardbucket on Fri 11 May 2018, 10:04

Cubans more than Soviets wasn't it?

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Post by Bradman on Fri 11 May 2018, 10:13

I think you're thinking of Angola. But my only experience with Ethiopia was in regards to Angola so who knows. Proxies, proxies everywhere.
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Post by taipan on Fri 11 May 2018, 10:41

Bradman wrote:I think you're thinking of Angola.  But my only experience with Ethiopia was in regards to Angola so who knows.  Proxies, proxies everywhere.

Aye, Cuba had a massive military presence in Angola. But a quick glance at Wiki shows they had 15000 troops in Ethiopia as well. As you said, proxies.
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Post by Bradman on Fri 11 May 2018, 11:06

15000! Fark! My only experience with the place was when most countries in Africa had lost their sugar daddy.
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Post by lardbucket on Fri 11 May 2018, 23:34

Cuba had massive military connections with Ethiopia. Wasn’t a guess.

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Post by Bradman on Fri 11 May 2018, 23:48

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Aye. They had to pay their dues where they could I spose.
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Post by PeterCS on Sat 12 May 2018, 02:09

I'd nominate Steve Waugh, Simon Katich and Graeme Swann to be Horace's brothers.
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Post by horace on Sat 12 May 2018, 02:17

PeterCS wrote:I'd nominate Steve Waugh, Simon Katich and Graeme Swann to be Horace's brothers.

Even that trio of tripe do not qualify to share in my Horrorhead gene pool.
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Post by PeterCS on Sat 12 May 2018, 03:05

Setting the Great Bar of Imagination lower than family or mentors, a gallery of some cricketers it'd be great/it might have been great to get to know personally ...

(Before anyone thinks that saying about "don't meet your heroes", not necessarily idols, just (it seems) highly interesting, engaging, possibly also likeable fellahs in various ways)

Jack Russell; Frank Worrell; Bert Oldfield (snap); RC Robertson-Glasgow; FS Jackson; Cyril Walters; Arthur Mailey; Curtly. Oh and I suppose CB Fry, underneath the anxious social class insecurity and multiple layers of ego-protective bull.


Others that are more intriguing, a shadowy mystery, or conflicting views (or conflicting evidence) - and so, in some parallel universe, I'd wish to find out what they were REALLY like in person, first-hand, underneath the public persona and/or reputation (might be dismayed in a few cases) - :  

FS Trueman (!), EW Clark, Colin Bland, LO Fleetwood-Smith, Victor Trumper, John Snow, Percy Chapman, Ted McDonald, George Headley, Archie Jackson, Harold Gimblett, Jack Fingleton. MS Nichols.

And the biggest enigma of the lot (it wasn't just the stigma of the VD!): WR Hammond.


And then, Arlott. A tortured poet of great passions.


That took me 10-15 mins. On longer reflection, I'd no doubt add or subtract a few.

And why are most of them old cricketers? Contemporary pros (plural) are much better covered in information & publicity than older cricketers (even if that shows them up as committedly two-dimensional as characters). Older cricketers are more of a riddle in some ways.

But then, there's also more of cricket past, than cricket current.


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Post by PeterCS on Sat 12 May 2018, 03:06

horace wrote:
PeterCS wrote:I'd nominate Steve Waugh, Simon Katich and Graeme Swann to be Horace's brothers.

Even that trio of tripe do not qualify to share in my Horrorhead gene pool.

Tripe?! - Mailey's your man!

(Not an aspersion - an allusion ...)
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Post by Bradman on Sat 12 May 2018, 03:28

I like tripe.
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Post by horace on Sat 12 May 2018, 07:58

Bradman wrote:I like tripe.

Me too, though not with white sauce. The French, Italians and Chinese know how to cook it.

Agree with Pete about Wally Hammond. A complete enigma.
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Post by Bradman on Sat 12 May 2018, 08:58

Yeah grandma didn't have a clue. Throw it over hot coals the beast, preferably buffalo, just having really bad day.
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Post by Bradman on Sat 12 May 2018, 09:01

Yeah grandma didn't have a clue. Throw it over hot coals the beast, preferably buffalo, just having really bad day.

Glad Pete finally brought up Fry. Him and Fleetwood-Smith would be at my last supper
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Post by horace on Sat 12 May 2018, 14:06

Bradman wrote:Yeah grandma didn't have a clue.  Throw it over hot coals the beast, preferably buffalo, just having  really bad day.  

Glad Pete finally brought up Fry.   Him and Fleetwood-Smith would be at my last supper


Modern meds would helped him, but yep, an interesting bloke
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Post by Bradman on Sat 12 May 2018, 14:46

You'd need meds too if you had to compete with tiger and clarrie. Mind you nice excuse to get wasted.
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Post by WideWally on Sat 12 May 2018, 15:11

horace wrote:
Bradman wrote:Yeah grandma didn't have a clue.  Throw it over hot coals the beast, preferably buffalo, just having  really bad day.  

Glad Pete finally brought up Fry.   Him and Fleetwood-Smith would be at my last supper


Modern meds would helped him, but yep, an interesting bloke

Make sure you ask him to perform his Black-faced Cuckoo-shrike. Truly amazing.
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