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Post by Big Dog Thu 17 May 2018, 23:23

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/icc-test-championship-coin-toss-ashes-international-cricket-council-australia/2018-05-18

Might result in even more exaggerated pitches being prepared to suit the home side resulting in farcical matches.
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Post by PeterCS Fri 18 May 2018, 00:30

Welcome to the world of the ECB County Championship!

It's controversial here - I'm not sure what the current state of discussion is, whether it will be axed again.

I can see why it has been tried. Well, it's fairly obvious what the purpose was - that's the first thing up if you read any discussion of it.

But seeing how it works in practice, if it was not predictable before lobbing it in, the double question is:

> Does it achieve its aim, without causing the reverse unfairness? and:
> Is there no more even & equitable way to counter any excessive "pushing" of home advantage?
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Post by horace Fri 18 May 2018, 00:49

Interesting development.
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Post by horace Fri 18 May 2018, 01:12

One of the great things about cricket has always been the different character of different pitches in different countries. This provided a true test of the quality of visiting players.

Banindia and then Pomgolia have been the two countries to dial in home pitch requirements (tho the Bannies did not on the last Oz tour there). The Lankans have also been guilty. SA and Oz have not.

Much to my disappointment Oz did not dial in hard green tops to tear up the Bannies. If anything we have gone the other way. I suspect the media blight of Charnel Nein wanted flat tracks here, so games went to the fourth day.

I fear the potential new rule could minimise the differences between pitches and establish some boring universal pitch.
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Post by JGK Fri 18 May 2018, 01:28

This is such an unbelievably bad idea.

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Post by horace Fri 18 May 2018, 01:32

JGK wrote:This is such an unbelievably bad idea.

yep.

Personally I have always liked the toss.
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Post by Bradman Fri 18 May 2018, 03:14

The home venue may be more important than the toss according to a few of the stats sites. A cursory glance at stats guru shows there's certainly an advantage but its not gaping.

Home teams win about 35% more than they lose when losing the toss, though that number edges closer to 50% when they win.
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Post by tricycle Fri 18 May 2018, 06:03


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Post by taipan Fri 18 May 2018, 06:15

Bradman wrote:The home venue may be more important than the toss according to a few of the stats sites.  A cursory glance at stats guru shows there's certainly an advantage but its not gaping.

Home teams win about 35% more than they lose when losing the toss, though that number edges closer to 50% when they win.

So by the above logic we should also ban all home tests.
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Post by horace Fri 18 May 2018, 08:20

taipan wrote:
Bradman wrote:The home venue may be more important than the toss according to a few of the stats sites.  A cursory glance at stats guru shows there's certainly an advantage but its not gaping.

Home teams win about 35% more than they lose when losing the toss, though that number edges closer to 50% when they win.

So by the above logic we should also ban all home tests.

Only in Banindia
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Post by skully Fri 18 May 2018, 10:33

Big Dog wrote:https://www.cricket.com.au/news/icc-test-championship-coin-toss-ashes-international-cricket-council-australia/2018-05-18

Really??

Can't say I agree with this.
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Post by PeterCS Fri 18 May 2018, 14:41

horace wrote:
JGK wrote:This is such an unbelievably bad idea.

yep.

Personally I have always liked the toss.

Carry On moment.
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Post by WideWally Fri 18 May 2018, 15:03

I can't decide.
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Post by PeterCS Fri 18 May 2018, 15:22

There's only one way to decide which side you're on ...
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