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Post by taipan Thu 01 Jan 2015, 04:08

taipan wrote:
Red wrote:
taipan wrote:
Red wrote:
taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

So you wrote off someone who was on 136@22.67 and rated someone that had yet to play a test.

Says a lot about your  thought processes.

You know for a fact that I have generally been praiseworthy of Steyn over the years. Anyway one might argue that rating someone based on observation (not merely relying on stats) shows discernment. Just for your information, Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn. Not bigging up him but interesting to note that top players polarise ex-test cricketers.

So exactly where did you observe Philander before his test debut?

So red? Ducking this question?
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Post by Red Thu 01 Jan 2015, 08:11

taipan wrote:
taipan wrote:
Red wrote:
taipan wrote:
Red wrote:
taipan wrote:Didn't Red write AB off at about the same time.

I thought AB was a great talent when he first came to these shores. He remains to this day one of the best batsmen in the world and arguably the best all-round cricketer if we take adaptability/fielding etc. into account.

Anyway I rated Philander before he had played a test but you thought he was a useless quota player.

So you wrote off someone who was on 136@22.67 and rated someone that had yet to play a test.

Says a lot about your  thought processes.

You know for a fact that I have generally been praiseworthy of Steyn over the years. Anyway one might argue that rating someone based on observation (not merely relying on stats) shows discernment. Just for your information, Stackpole doesn't rate Steyn. Not bigging up him but interesting to note that top players polarise ex-test cricketers.

So exactly where did you observe Philander before his test debut?

So red? Ducking this question?

I saw him in the international arena in limited overs plus playing for the Cobras and I looked at his stats etc.
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Post by taipan Thu 01 Jan 2015, 08:26

So you saw him in possibly 7 ODI's in 2007/8 (1 against Ireland, 3 against Zim) whereup he was dropped for 4 years. You maybe saw him in limited overs for the Cobras (FC cricket hasn't been televised for years in SA) and decided that he would be a great test bowler?

I am calling BS on this.

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Post by Bradman Thu 01 Jan 2015, 08:43

Gauntlet thrown.
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Post by Henry Thu 01 Jan 2015, 08:48

I think most people thought Philander was a pretty ordinary quota pick when he was first selected for South Africa in ODIs. He was selected as much for his middle/lower order batting as his bowling back then. But players are allowed to improve, and he certainly has.

Having said that, even these days he's more a test bowler than a one day bowler. Might not even be in South Africa's first choice ODI XI.
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Post by taipan Thu 01 Jan 2015, 08:54

I wouldn't have him in the ODI team at all. He is most effective in tests when he pitches it up. If he bowls that length on the roads prepared for ODI's he becomes canon fodder at his pace. Therefore he has to bowl back of a length which screws up his test bowling.
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Post by Henry Thu 01 Jan 2015, 09:40

Him and Abbot are competing for a spot, and Vernon is a better batsman.
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Post by Red Fri 02 Jan 2015, 01:10

taipan wrote:So you saw him in possibly 7 ODI's in 2007/8 (1 against Ireland, 3 against Zim) whereup he was dropped for 4 years. You maybe saw him in limited overs for the Cobras (FC cricket hasn't been televised for years in SA) and decided that he would be a great test bowler?

I am calling BS on this.


But it was in ODIs; I recall that Ryan McLaren of all people starred in orange clothing.

Anyway I thought he moved the ball in a way which might translate well in test cricket, especially helpful conditions. He also displayed talent with the bat. He was less impressive in the field. I agree regarding ODIs, his method is much less effective there now.
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Post by taipan Fri 02 Jan 2015, 01:32

Still calling BS. If you were so impressed where are all your posts suggesting he should be picked?

WTF has McLaren to do with it?
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Post by Red Fri 02 Jan 2015, 02:23

taipan wrote:Still calling BS. If you were so impressed where are all your posts suggesting he should be picked?

WTF has McLaren to do with it?

Because watching the domestic comp. on the tv at my hotel his performances stuck in my mind because I had never really heard of him. Anyway I wasn't bigging Philander but I questioned your rabid opposition to him because quietly I thought he might do okay.
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Post by lardbucket Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:33

Red wrote:On the evidence of this test he hasn't improved from the pie chucker he looked the last time he visited these shores.

The stats say he's had a great year but maybe he's mainly effective against minnows. It could be one of those aberrations where he had a bit of luck, things fell into place for him etc. But he looks innocuous and unlike the great bowlers, doesn't swing it enough (in all conditions) to worry too many batsmen. Johnson is not known to swing it, yet was able to during the first innings.

In any case Australia has struck a huge psychological blow against him and he looks a bit mentally fragile. It will be hard for him to come back from here.

Maybe they have some other up and comers in their ranks.

Here it is, it's genius really.

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Post by Brass Monkey Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:41

Exceptional. One of the most ill judged posts ever.
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Post by taipan Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:42

Trev is in awe.
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Post by lardbucket Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:43

I think it's got merkin covered.

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Post by taipan Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:44

Brass Monkey wrote:Exceptional. One of the most ill judged posts ever.

Ah, I see it it also the thread where she is bigging Philander up. Twisted Evil
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Post by Brass Monkey Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:45

lardbucket wrote:I think it's got merkin covered.

I think it has even got an amoeba covered....
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Post by lardbucket Thu 30 Jul 2015, 10:46

Don't be backing off now ...

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Post by lardbucket Tue 05 Jan 2016, 06:45

G.Wood wrote:
Brass Monkey wrote:Or you think you've said something, but really you just kept it inside your head.

That's better than the reverse.  Particularly when tallking to your TQ of a boss

post of the century

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Post by taipan Thu 17 Nov 2016, 03:48

taipan wrote:
Merlin wrote:One tour to India and he'll be farked ... guaranteed.

Might be guilty of NSR here but Steyn in India - 15@20

Ah, the thread that keeps on giving.
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Post by lardbucket Thu 17 Nov 2016, 05:32

it's a cracker

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Post by Red Wed 04 Jul 2018, 11:32

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/23984746/rejuvenated-dale-steyn-targets-500-wickets-100-tests

Steyn wants to play a ton of tests and is aiming to crack 500 wickets. If Rabada keeps up his form, Steyn will need this milestone to hold the SA record for a decent amount of time.
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Post by taipan Thu 14 Feb 2019, 11:12

In honour of Dale Steyn going to no 7 on the all time list. Page 1 is arguably one of the best in the history of this forum.
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Post by Guest Thu 14 Feb 2019, 17:53

So did Steyn end up doing okay then?

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Post by beamer Thu 14 Feb 2019, 18:49

taipan wrote:In honour of Dale Steyn going to no 7 on the all time list. Page 1 is arguably one of the best in the history of this forum.
About the same time we were talking about Jimmy Bage and the Anderson Cycle...

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Post by Growler Thu 14 Feb 2019, 22:55

With regards to both Jimmy A and Dale S, bakers the world over have been working overtime for years.

Countless people must be thoroughly sick of humble pie.
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