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Re: UK politics thread

Post by JKLever on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 01:21

lardbucket wrote:She's desperate to be out of office before Brexit and the secession of Scotland. Who'd want to be remembered for that?

The SNP getting trashed was one of best parts of last night. There has been a bit of a backlash against them here that doesn't really get reported in the London media. Sturgeon reckoned that Brexit would be the catalyst to take Scotland over the edge but it's been the opposite reaction with a lot of anger over her opportunism following the vote. Most canny Scots know that however Brexit goes (if it does at all now) being on the wrong side of a trade barrier to the rest of the UK would be devastating.

Losing 21 seats was bad enough but just a 1-2% swing again to either Red or Blue could see them lose another 20 seats as some of the margins of their wins in places they did hold was minisule - 2 votes in 1 place!
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Post by taipan on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 07:28

JGK wrote:
horace wrote:What a mess.

Aye. † It's hard to imagine than any politicians are politically more incompetent than ours.

Amateurs compared to SA
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Re: UK politics thread

Post by lardbucket on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 09:46

JGK wrote:Interesting move by May to call a snap election.

Courageous.

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Re: UK politics thread

Post by JGK on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 09:51

lardbucket wrote:
JGK wrote:Interesting move by May to call a snap election.

Courageous.

Yes, Prime Minister.

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Re: UK politics thread

Post by lardbucket on Sat 10 Jun 2017, 11:26

Zachary.

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Re: UK politics thread

Post by Henry on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 06:07

Well more and more, it's being proved that democracy swings back and forth these days like a rusty gate in strong winds. Popularity rises and falls with a tweet, a look, a perception. For May, the perception immediately became arrogance. Arrogance that she had so confidently called an unnecessary election (she could have governed with a majority for the next three years WITHOUT calling this election....she just tried to bite off more than she could chew), and then she skipped that debate, which only magnified the perception of arrogance. And to add to it all, she can't help but come across as robotic and completely devoid of feeling and passion. Corbyn just had to ensure he didn't punch a child on live TV to suddenly surge in popularity, and this was with Diane Abbot trying her best to apparently lose the election for labour with her car crash TV interviews.

Corbyn shouldn't have got anywhere near as close as he did, and a government under him would have been a train wreck. But by heck did it nearly happen. Never have I seen western democracy so polarised between such extremes of right and left- Trump/Sanders, May/Corbyn.

By the way, if the labor party here in Aus had the guts to replace lame duck but union friend Bill Shorten with the vastly more popular Anthony Albanese, they'd cakewalk the next election.

Turbulent times.
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Post by furriner on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 07:31

Is it too much to hope that this Anthony Albanese fella is an Albanian Australian?
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Post by lardbucket on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 09:01

Henry wrote:By the way, if the labor party here in Aus had the guts to replace lame duck but union friend Bill Shorten with the vastly more popular Anthony Albanese, they'd cakewalk the next election.

Definitely. A matter of time IMHO.

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Post by lardbucket on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 09:03

furriner wrote:Is it too much to hope that this Anthony Albanese fella is an Albanian Australian?

just a whitey

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Post by furriner on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 12:06

lardbucket wrote:
furriner wrote:Is it too much to hope that this Anthony Albanese fella is an Albanian Australian?

just a whitey

They have whiteys in Albania, so I can still hope.
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Post by JKLever on Sun 11 Jun 2017, 15:01

Henry wrote:Well more and more, it's being proved that democracy swings back and forth these days like a rusty gate in strong winds. Popularity rises and falls with a tweet, a look, a perception. For May, the perception immediately became arrogance. Arrogance that she had so confidently called an unnecessary election (she could have governed with a majority for the next three years WITHOUT calling this election....she just tried to bite off more than she could chew), and then she skipped that debate, which only magnified the perception of arrogance. And to add to it all, she can't help but come across as robotic and completely devoid of feeling and passion. Corbyn just had to ensure he didn't punch a child on live TV to suddenly surge in popularity, and this was with Diane Abbot trying her best to apparently lose the election for labour with her car crash TV interviews.

I'm centre-right but my spidey-senses tingled that something was going to go wrong when she started introducing crap like grammars & then started talking about foxhunting votes. This is literally stuff that is divisive in her own party let alone the country. Whilst Labour were offering undeliverable freebies galore, the Tory manifesto was all about doom and took pot shots at their own voters.

The bottom line is that she is a terrible public speaker and didn't even have the gonads to go out and put the case for her useless manifesto. I have no idea when she'll be gone but there's no way the Tories are going to go into another election with her in charge.

Labour scares me and not just because their economics would ruin the country but because their leadership are particularly nasty pieces of work, pretty much hate this country and have some very dodgy connections. It's also horrifcally anti-semitic. I'd happily live under a pro-UK socialist government but these guys are dangerous (their supporters had the Soviet bunting out at a demo in Whitehall yesterday)

I'm telling myself that lots of people came out for Corbyn because they wanted to give May a bloody nose and if they think he might win not as many would vote the same next time but that's probably just a comfort blanket on my part but if 41% of this country seriously do want full on union control & pseudo-communism, well I understand nothing about politics anymore.
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Re: UK politics thread

Post by Growler on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 02:24

I have to agree with Trev and JK here. Calling the election made no sense on any level, and in a way they got exactly what they deserved. My big worry now is that we will, by default, fudge the departure from the EU.

It's over now, of course - but the referendum campaign was an absolute disgrace from leave and remain alike. A mixture of scaremongering, guesswork and yes, outright lies. There were honourable arguments to be made by both sides, but neither side were honest enough to make them.

Yes, the result turned out to be a narrow victory for departure, and the vast majority of remain voters I know (admittedly not very many) take the view that "OK, we lost the vote, so now get on with obtaining the best deal on departure". I think that's the general feeling among the general population, and that the continued efforts to frustrate the process is mainly coming from a small minority who quite possibly have vested interests which we plebs aren't privy to. Had the vote gone to remain, nobody is under any illusions that there would be a conversation of any kind whatsoever.

I'm thinking in particular of the single market issue. Yes of course there are advantages in membership, especially for businesses which import or export goods and/or services. I also accept that for the consumer, many prices will be generally slightly lower than they'd otherwise be. On the other hand, if you're one of the people who's job has gone abroad, or been outsourced, and you've gone from full-time employment on a reasonable salary to part-time, minimum wage work - or a zero hours contract, then saving 10p on a Spanish lettuce or £800 on a new German car makes bugger all difference does it ? Sooner have secure full time work and pay more.

The point is, all this guff about hard/extreme Brexit is just that - guff. Soft Brexit doesn't exist, and I wish people would be more honest about it. Those wanting single market membership must know that means staying within the EU, and all it entails.

We await developments with interest, as the saying goes.
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Re: UK politics thread

Post by horace on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 14:37

It seems May could have misled Queenie. No deal has been forged with Paisleyites. Queenie has delayed her speech.
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Re: UK politics thread

Post by whitburn on Mon 12 Jun 2017, 15:40

Labour got as close as they did despite being led by a traitor (Corbyn) and a delinquent (Abbott) for a few reasons. Firstly they promised young impressionable students loads of money the country can't afford. Secondly most of the latter day immigrants and almost all the prisoners vote Labour. Thirdly the Tories cuts have hit hard and people have had enough of them. Amputees losing their mobility cars and the Bedroom Tax and Dementia Tax and the general feed the rich at the expense of the poor policies have gone too far for many people. I agree with several people above that Corbyn in charge of the UK would be a disaster. The military-aged '''child''' refugees would flood in, so we'd get even more terror and more slaughter of our people. He;d get inflation back to 5% and unemployment back up to 2 million in short order. Dianne Abbott looks and sounds like she was thrown out of school at 12 years old. But NHS cuts, police numbers falling at a time of islamic terror, all sorts of things were in Caorbyn's favour and guess what? The Tories still got more votes than Lab/Lib/Crankie SNP combined. If the Tories reign back on austerity and boost the police they will walk the next election, be it next month or neat year or 2022.

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Re: UK politics thread

Post by JGK on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 02:19

Jaysus, you guys are losing Ministers faster than we are.


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Re: UK politics thread

Post by Basil on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 18:22

If you want to see chaos theory in action just study the Tory party.
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Re: UK politics thread

Post by skully on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 20:20

Seems UK and Aus have a lot in common ATM re: politics. [sigh]
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Re: UK politics thread

Post by beamer on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 22:40

Starting to think Corbynís rabble couldnít do any worse... donít think any of the parties could organise a piss-up in a brewery though.

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