"Series C" - a Big Quiz. (with a long intro/explanation: bear with me ...)
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 15:48
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:13) In the 2nd Test of the series:
a) Who's the batsman living up to his nickname here?
b) Which normally safe pair of hands is in this instance the "oaf" at 3rd slip?
- Spoiler:
b) Dunno - maybe Hobbs or Fender?
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q13):
None of these answers correct - so this one can be "thrown open" (as they used to say on TV quizzes), in its entirety ....
Reminder: see the nickname clue in the question. Also, Fender wasn't played in that Test, Hobbs didn't generally field at slip. Who would YOU put in the slips? ....
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 15:54
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:14)
a) Name these two coming out to bat, after lunch on Day 2 of the same Test.
b) Why do they look so pleased? (Be as exact as you can!)
- Spoiler:
b) I'd reckon they are pleased because Bertie has helped Gregory reach his maiden Test ton.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q14):
Sound logic, and it's the deadly "bounding Kangaroo" bowler for sure, but OOF! that's certainly not Bertie alongside him. Bert was shorter, for a start, and I'm not sure he ever sported a 'tache? .... Well, maybe he did, but not often, at any rate.
We're looking for something grander in the innings, and of greater moment for the match, and indeed, the whole series. Arguably one of the three main turning points?
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 16:05
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:15) Third Test. "And ... GOT 'IM! - NO!! ANOTHER SITTER GOES DOWN at 3rd slip!"
a) What Oval favourite is muffing this snick, off a leading all-rounder?
b) How did that spill prove particularly significant?
- Spoiler:
b) Was the drop off Herbie Collins who made 162 or Kelleway on his way to 147?
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q15):
a) Ha! Keeping your options open there!
I didn't mean to ask for the bowler - I'll come back to him later, but would be an unfair ask, you can't see him. Probably a faulty formulation of the question on my part: "snick, off a leading all-rounder" was meant to refer to the man with the bat. Apologies for the ambiguity!
Okay, I agree it's too tough to make out the wavy hair (and possibly specs), so let's just say it's the middle one, Percy Fender - finally brought in for this match. And making a pig's ear of a crucial sitter.
b) I won't say which of these. Look at the all-rounder (with the bat in this case). Height, build, etc.
And add (or repeat): exactly what would make the drop especially significant?
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 16:17
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:16) Two Tests after Q1, and if you look, "Team B" (Q1) has changed two of its players.
a) Locate (use same team photo ref. system? - e.g. "Back5", "Front2") and name those two new men?
b) Can you name the two men (from Q1) they replaced?
- Spoiler:
b) Back2 and Front4 - Tommy Andrews (I think) and Charlie McCartney.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q16):
a) McDonald yes - and correctly located. However, Mayne is not in the picture (or XII) for the 3rd Test. He (Mayne) was a rather more robustly-built chap than the one at "Front5". (By the way, compare the look of the man at "Front5" with his expression in Q17 - subtly different!)
b) Macartney certainly. But Andrews was not yet in the XII,and wasn't present in the 1st Test, even as 12th Man.
Which is the identity you're looking for - someone in the XII for the 1st Test (and 2nd btw) - but left out of it in the 3rd and subsequent Tests of that series.
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 16:35
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:17) Only ONE member of "Team B"'s total 16 selections in this series - either to play or be 12th man - took no part in the return series immediately following it.
a) Can you name the unlucky man?
b) What was his (main) profession?
- Spoiler:
b) Advertising staff member on the Sydney Morning Herald.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q17):
You know, you're right. And that's my mistake - and second apology (after the quality of the photo reproductions).
I hadn't noted Kelleway's absence from the (return-)touring squad. And also didn't check the maths, to see if the totals (of players) added up.
So, a bonus point and mea culpa.And then scrub the question.
The other omission - the man I was getting at - was of what's often cruelly described as a "one-Test wonder". Hence "the unlucky man" of my question. It appears Kelleway decided to withdraw for business/professional reasons, having been already "invited", so perhaps not as obviously unfortunate.
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 16:42
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:18) Here is the XII chosen from "Squad A" of Q1 to play a regional match at the very end of the tour.
a) Location (city) where the photo was taken?
b) What dubious Test distinction do the team members located at "back1" & "front2" share?
c) How did the player at "back2" just pip them both, in that same respect?
Bonus:
d) What did all three of the above have in common with "front1"?
- Spoiler:
b) They both played only one Test, on the 1920-21 tour - both averaging less than 10 (Dolphin 0.5, Wilson 5.0).
c) Abe Waddington played 2 Tests - both on this tour.
d) Like Wilfred Rhodes - they all played for Yorkshire.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q18):
- Very little to add to these all correct answers!
Except perhaps to point out:
Four Yorkshiremen all banded together at one end (left as we see them) - three men of Surrey bunched at the other end (right). Not a good look for any touring band of brothers, perhaps.
But then, it had been a long and - in terms of the Tests, at least, and despite reported undaunted battling spirits among most of them, to the end - unprecedentedly catastrophic tour.
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 16:52
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:19)
a) Who's the dynamic slip catcher adroitly snapping up these two in the 5th Test?
b) Three bonus points for identifying the two batsmen (note: compare their respective statures!), and the keeper.
- Spoiler:
b) Harry Makepeace and Jack Russell; Hanson "Sammy" Carter.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q19):
a) Indeed it's that man again. Despite all of Mailey's wickets (he collected bucketloads of them, especially in the second half of the series), surely England's chief tormentor in 1920-21. Bucking express pace bowler (9 clean bowled out of his 23 wickets), a couple of crucial innings, one of them at a decisive turn in the series, and bags of slip catches too. Consistently at first slip when not bowling (look through all the images int he quiz!)
b) All three correct. Off Kelleway and Armstrong respectively in the second innings, I think. Although he also bagged the same two batsmen (both off Mailey) in the first innings!
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 16:58
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:20) How many (Test) debutants did the home side field in the 1st Test of this series?
- Spoiler:
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q20):
True enough. A huge number, though these were far from greenhorns (see in particular the AIF team's tour of England, 1919.)
And perhaps for obvious reasons their first baggy greens - 8 years on from the previous Tests.
Given "the War and all that", the surprising thing is perhaps that England (or "the MCC") gave first Test caps to only FOUR men in the same match. That seems doubly significant ...
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 17:05
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:21) Who took the most wickets in the series:
a) for the home side?
b) for the visitors?
Bonus point each for the total number of wickets each of these bowlers took.
- Spoiler:
b) Ciss Parkin - 16 wickets.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q21):
Yup. Four points!
There are underlying points and implications to many of these questions I've set.
Here, it's stark: what a disparity!
Cecil Parkin's shortened first name is an odd one, isn't it? I've seen it also as "Cec", which makes more sense. Perhaps because "Cec" might read as "Seck". And "Cess" (to get the pronunciation) would be an insult. So "Ciss", some have written it. ,,,
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 17:21
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:22) What was unprecedented about the outcome of the series?
- Spoiler:
- Feedback on Skully's answer to Q22):
Yes. More precisely - to give it its historic(al) significance - the first whitewash in the history of Test cricket. And unmatched until 2006-07, - a full 84 years later. And then it happened again.
Some things change - but history can repeat itself. Especially if you choose unwisely in the first place; don't prepare, deploy & man-manage your guys adequately for the tasks ahead; encounter a stronger, and better cohered team, who start strong and grow stronger (esp in their country, in their (in 1920-21: sweltering) conditions); encounter some elements of bad luck, e.g. lose the first three Tests and chase leather until you're hanging like hangdogs; engineer a fair bit of bad luck of your own which is in fact not bad luck (notably: drop some crucial catches at key moments - anyone still remember e.g. Giles, Ponting at Adelaide, December 2006?); and bit-by-bit get fatally caught in a trap of massively diverging morale levels between the two supposedly competing teams. Which often decisive morale split is sometimes - misleadingly - called "momentum". ...
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 17:47
PeterCS wrote:Picking up with the bare-bones feedback/answers. (Feedback on Skully's answers to QQ 1 & 2 can be found above, on page2) ...skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:3) Can you:
a) locate & name the two oldest players in Squad A?
b) (ditto), in Team B?
(You can obviously websearch for exact answers, or guesstimate on the basis of knowledge and/or appearance.)
- Spoiler:
b)2 Oldest Australian 1st Test players in 1920-21 - Warren Bardsley and Warwick Armstrong.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q3):
Oldest England players - yes to both.
But where are Rhodes (Oct 1877) and Wilson (March 1879) in the team photo (see Q1)? Note: Q3 also asked to "locate ... in Squad A".
Oldest Australia players - Armstrong yes (second oldest - May 1879); Bardsley no.
And where are those two "most senior" in the picture (Q1)? - Q3 also asked to "locate ... in Team B."
CORRECTION TO MY CORRECTION - (!)
Since edits to this Forum are goddamn time-limited ...
... and herewith the third apology on my part (who'd set a big, elaborate quiz on a small forum??) ....
Skully is in fact right on both names, for both teams. (I confused myself: confusing "team" with "squad" from a different question is how that occurred.)
So all that needs correcting in Q3 - or rather adding - is the "locating" of each of those named four players in the two respective team pictures.
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 17:56
I'm going doo-lally at this stage.
So I'll have to try again tomorrow with the Supplementary 10 questions.
(Why has someone "disliked" the guy or the question S1), by the way? I might have deserved it, but that bowler certainly didn't deserve the cold snub!
)
AND SO AS PROMISED (here for the main 22 questions - supplementaries to follow, tomorrow possibly):
An inventory of the questions still to be answered (correctly, or at all).
Q2, part a):
After two attempts, we've had the colonel, and one of the two cricket-unrelated captains.
Hence one non-cricket "capt" to be found:
Clue was: who else looks to have "a captain's bearing" in Q1), lower team? (I don't mean the "Big Ship", who there looks more like a bloody whale, or mastodon!) - Think "AIF" ....
Q3:
Can you locate in the team photos of Q1 the four players Skully correctly named as the four oldest (= two on each team)? I'd suggest using the quick-reference system suggested near the top of the thread, but as you wish!
Q4: Optional supplementary question (for Skully only?):
So who IS the 12th Man in Australia's lineup for the 1st Test @ the SCG? (see Q1 again)
Inventory to be continued in next post > > >
So I'll have to try again tomorrow with the Supplementary 10 questions.
(Why has someone "disliked" the guy or the question S1), by the way? I might have deserved it, but that bowler certainly didn't deserve the cold snub!
)AND SO AS PROMISED (here for the main 22 questions - supplementaries to follow, tomorrow possibly):
An inventory of the questions still to be answered (correctly, or at all).
Q2, part a):
After two attempts, we've had the colonel, and one of the two cricket-unrelated captains.
- Q2(a), so far answered:
- Douglas; and Kelleway.
Hence one non-cricket "capt" to be found:
Clue was: who else looks to have "a captain's bearing" in Q1), lower team? (I don't mean the "Big Ship", who there looks more like a bloody whale, or mastodon!) - Think "AIF" ....
Q3:
Can you locate in the team photos of Q1 the four players Skully correctly named as the four oldest (= two on each team)? I'd suggest using the quick-reference system suggested near the top of the thread, but as you wish!
- The four oldest players on view in 2 team photos = Q1:
- skully wrote:a) 2 Oldest English players in 1920-21 squad - Rockley Wilson & Wilfred Rhodes - both born in 1870s.
b)2 Oldest Australian 1st Test players in 1920-21 - Warren Bardsley & Warwick Armstrong.
Q4: Optional supplementary question (for Skully only?):
So who IS the 12th Man in Australia's lineup for the 1st Test @ the SCG? (see Q1 again)
Inventory to be continued in next post > > >
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 18:07
Q7: Parts a) and b) - fully answered by Skully.
But - additional to original question a) - anyone want to have a shot at player IDs there too?
Part c) still needs answering. I'll repost the whole of Q7 (it's of a piece), and then repeat the hints I gave in response to Skully's answer, together with the question also in c) about possible player IDs:
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But - additional to original question a) - anyone want to have a shot at player IDs there too?
Part c) still needs answering. I'll repost the whole of Q7 (it's of a piece), and then repeat the hints I gave in response to Skully's answer, together with the question also in c) about possible player IDs:
PeterCS wrote:7) Oh, NO - not again?!?! ...
a) What the hell's happening here?
b) Location?
c) What are the guys in the last of the pics below doing with their precious time?
(Bonus points for any successful player IDs ... remember: check back to Q1 if it helps!)
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- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q7 - with hints to solution of part c), etc.:
a) Correct, apart from the quibble about the identity of the deadly fever (see Feedback to Q6) above)
b) Correct!
c) Not sure they would be allowed on the beach? But in any case, look at the sharp focus of the little fellow nearest the camera on something happening to the right, below them, and how all three are facing towards it (although the other small chap at the back is distracted by the camera).
What sort of diversion do men - groups of men - traditionally pursue to pass the time, when they have time on their hands?
Also, some player identifications (even in civvies!) should be possible, given the other photos in the quiz. e.g. Q1 (Squad A), Q10, Q18. ...
Inventory to be continued in next post > > >
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 18:13
Batsman (dismayed) in middle picture of Q11 b) still needs correctly answering. See hints in the Feedback I offered Skully:
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skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:11) Three significant moments here, in three successive Tests.
a) What's the (two-part) common factor? (one part of the common factor is very visible, the other not)
b) Can you name the three unhappy batsmen? (NB: apologies for picture quality - use visual clues!)
- Spoiler:
b) Maybe Hobbs, Rhodes and Hendren?
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- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q11):
a) All bowled by "Gelignite", indeed. In the 1st, 2nd & 3rd Tests respectively. Down the track? Perhaps the second & third batsmen at least were (maybe unwisely, but both of them characteristically) trying to "take him on"?
b) First and third of them: correct (though State Library of South Australia - fantastic resource - erroneously identifies the victim as "Douglas". That's definitely not Johnny's stature, stance or face!).
Second guess is incorrect. Though an imposing figure indeed. I know it's one of the ropey pics salvaged from a document-grade scan of an antique newspaper, but take a look at this:
Inventory to be continued in next post > > >
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 18:19
QQ 13 & 14 still need answering, Q13 in toto, Q14 as regards one of the two players, and the significance of their cooperation.
So here they are again - complete with Skully's answers, if you want to check your surmises against his. Again, with hints added in the Feedbacks I gave Skulls:
So here they are again - complete with Skully's answers, if you want to check your surmises against his. Again, with hints added in the Feedbacks I gave Skulls:
PeterCS wrote:skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:13) In the 2nd Test of the series:
a) Who's the batsman living up to his nickname here?
b) Which normally safe pair of hands is in this instance the "oaf" at 3rd slip?
- Spoiler:
b) Dunno - maybe Hobbs or Fender?
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- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q13):
None of these answers correct - so this one can be "thrown open" (as they used to say on TV quizzes), in its entirety ....
Reminder: see the nickname clue in the question. Also, Fender wasn't played in that Test, Hobbs didn't generally field at slip. Who would YOU put in the slips? ....
PeterCS wrote:skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:14)
a) Name these two coming out to bat, after lunch on Day 2 of the same Test.
b) Why do they look so pleased? (Be as exact as you can!)
- Spoiler:
b) I'd reckon they are pleased because Bertie has helped Gregory reach his maiden Test ton.
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- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q14):
Sound logic, and it's the deadly "bounding Kangaroo" bowler for sure, but OOF! that's certainly not Bertie alongside him. Bert was shorter, for a start, and I'm not sure he ever sported a 'tache? .... Well, maybe he did, but not often, at any rate.
We're looking for something grander in the innings, and of greater moment for the match, and indeed, the whole series. Arguably one of the three main turning points?
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 18:22
(Inventory, continued ... one more post/question to follow after this, to complete the Inventory of incomplete QQ1) - 22))
Q15 a) dealt with - but 15b): can you continue Skully's approximate lines to a fuller solution? - see again the Feedback at the bottom!
Q15 a) dealt with - but 15b): can you continue Skully's approximate lines to a fuller solution? - see again the Feedback at the bottom!
PeterCS wrote:skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:15) Third Test. "And ... GOT 'IM! - NO!! ANOTHER SITTER GOES DOWN at 3rd slip!"
a) What Oval favourite is muffing this snick, off a leading all-rounder?
b) How did that spill prove particularly significant?
- Spoiler:
b) Was the drop off Herbie Collins who made 162 or Kelleway on his way to 147?
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q15):
a) Ha! Keeping your options open there!
I didn't mean to ask for the bowler - I'll come back to him later, but would be an unfair ask, you can't see him. Probably a faulty formulation of the question on my part: "snick, off a leading all-rounder" was meant to refer to the man with the bat. Apologies for the ambiguity!
Okay, I agree it's too tough to make out the wavy hair (and possibly specs), so let's just say it's the middle one, Percy Fender - finally brought in for this match. And making a pig's ear of a crucial sitter.
b) I won't say which of these. Look at the all-rounder (with the bat in this case). Height, build, etc.
And add (or repeat): exactly what would make the drop especially significant?
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by PeterCS Thu 23 Apr 2020, 18:32
Last item of the "Inventory" (of so far unanswered/incorrectly answered questions)
Supplementary Inventory (of incomplete QQ S1)-10) will be supplied once I've got round to fielding Skully's responses to those 10 questions! But, that will be "not tonight, Josephine" ...
One half of 16 a) and one half of 16 b) still awaiting a correct response.
Supplementary Inventory (of incomplete QQ S1)-10) will be supplied once I've got round to fielding Skully's responses to those 10 questions! But, that will be "not tonight, Josephine" ...
One half of 16 a) and one half of 16 b) still awaiting a correct response.
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:16) Two Tests after Q1, and if you look, "Team B" (Q1) has changed two of its players.
a) Locate (use same team photo ref. system? - e.g. "Back5", "Front2") and name those two new men?
b) Can you name the two men (from Q1) they replaced?
- Spoiler:
b) Back2 and Front4 - Tommy Andrews (I think) and Charlie McCartney.
- Feedback on Skully's answers to Q16):
a) McDonald yes - and correctly located. However, Mayne is not in this picture (or XII) for the 3rd Test. He (Mayne) was a rather more robustly-built chap than the one at "Front5". (By the way, compare the look of the man at "Front5" with his expression in Q17 - subtly different!)
b) Macartney certainly. But Andrews was not yet in the XII, and wasn't present in the 1st Test, even as 12th Man.
Which is the chap/identity you're looking for - someone in the XII for the 1st Test (and 2nd Test too btw) - but left out of it in the 3rd and subsequent Tests of that series.
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by skully Fri 24 Apr 2020, 00:03
I'm away for the weekend so will have to try to fill the gaps next week.
Please help. Anyone?
Please help. Anyone?
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by JGK Fri 24 Apr 2020, 08:32
PeterCS wrote:13) In the 2nd Test of the series:
a) Who's the batsman living up to his nickname here?
b) Which normally safe pair of hands is in this instance the "oaf" at 3rd slip?
- Spoiler:
a) Herbie "Lucky" Collins?
b) Woolley (most catches in FC history)
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by JGK Fri 24 Apr 2020, 08:41
PeterCS wrote:14)
a) Name these two coming out to bat, after lunch on Day 2 of the same Test.
b) Why do they look so pleased? (Be as exact as you can!)
- Spoiler:
a) Must be Gregory and Pellew.
b) They put on 170 odd with Aust having been 7/282. So a massive turnaround in the game situation. That must also have been close to a WR partnership for that wicket at the time.
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by PeterCS Fri 24 Apr 2020, 16:47
So, let's see. I'll field:
i) Mr K's two new answers,
then if time allows:
ii) Skullly's answers to the "S" questions (1-10),
and - when even more time allows -
iii) do a quick (but full) summary of outstanding items, from both the main quiz (1-22) and the "S" questions.
i) Mr K's two new answers,
then if time allows:
ii) Skullly's answers to the "S" questions (1-10),
and - when even more time allows -
iii) do a quick (but full) summary of outstanding items, from both the main quiz (1-22) and the "S" questions.
JGK wrote:PeterCS wrote:13) In the 2nd Test of the series:
a) Who's the batsman living up to his nickname here?
b) Which normally safe pair of hands is in this instance the "oaf" at 3rd slip?
- Spoiler:
a) Herbie "Lucky" Collins?
b) Woolley (most catches in FC history)
- Feedback on JGK's answers to Q13::
a) Correct. Also (more commonly, I think) known as "Horseshoe". Apparently merely for his luck in winning tosses, while NSW and later Aussie skipper. In other words, nothing to do with his obsession with betting, or his batting! A typical stance of a slightly gaunt, even prematurely gnarled, rather slightly built man with ultra-baggy cap (I'm reminded of Scobie Breasley, if anyone recalls that name. Signs of too much sun without skin protection!)
b) No, not Woolley. This one seems to have an old-fashioned belt? But even if not, no wavy hair - and I think Frank was even taller than this sharp-eyed chap, who looks very awkward as the ball strikes him on the hip. In this series, he often fielded at one of the slip (or other close catching) positions, for more than one reason I suppose.
It was another crucial spill. But I won't elaborate until someone cracks Part b).
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by PeterCS Fri 24 Apr 2020, 17:21
JGK wrote:PeterCS wrote:14)
a) Name these two coming out to bat, after lunch on Day 2 of the same Test.
b) Why do they look so pleased? (Be as exact as you can!)
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a) Must be Gregory and Pellew.
b) They put on 170 odd with Aust having been 7/282. So a massive turnaround in the game situation. That must also have been close to a WR partnership for that wicket at the time.
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Yes indeed. It's "Nip". Sadly the poor-quality photo (and also his cap) don't give a clear sight of the sandy hair, tache and toothy grin, rather close-together eyes. But you get a general impression of some of that.
As Mr K indicates, a massive turnaround in the game situation - arguably the decisive turn in the whole series. And a real morale-breaker for the visitors, unexpectedly chasing a lot of leather in an absolute baker of a day. And then losing wickets.
Details: As pictured, Pellew is about to resume on 95*, Gregory (thanks to some typical lusty biffing) had already reached 59* at lunch on Day 2, as I said. (<- Those small markers help trackability if you have the patience, time and inclination to do so.)
Australia stood at 404 with 7 down. Already a massive recovery of the innings - hence the broad grins I referred to in the question.
Pellew went on to 116, Gregory to exactly 100.
Their partnership of 173 started on the 2nd ball of Day 2 - Ryder out without adding to his overnight score. At that stage, Australia stood at 7 down for 282. (They had lost their fifth wicket on 224 on the first day, and though Taylor, Pellew & Ryder stabilised that position during the last session, England were widely regarded in the press as having had the better of the opening day. That was considered a laudable, doughty and skilful fightback by the visitors, after a bad loss of the First Test.
Pellew was bowled by Parkin to make it 8-455. Gregory biffed it around a bit more, Bert Oldfield added a few at the end, and the home side ended on 499.
England deflated, overheated, fatigued. Two of their wickets went down for 32 in the third session - effectively 3 down, as their linchpin #3 Hearne had exited the match, and the whole series (a bad loss for England), with a badly ricked back leaping jerkily backwards for a catch (which he didn't take) on Day 1.
Hobbs and Hendren hung on to the end of Day 2, for 2(= 3)-93, but the writing was on the wall:
"MCC": 251 (Gregory 7-69 - even bigger grins!) & (following on) 157 ... lost by an innings & 91.
The match had been turned on its head. And the series set decisively in accelerating motion.
PS: The Australian newspapers of the time - there were heaps of them - covered the events of the match meticulously, some accounts read almost like ball-to-ball commentaries - no TV, no live radio coverage in 1920, remember! - and the fine detail in the above was extracted from them
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by PeterCS Fri 24 Apr 2020, 17:33
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:Supplementary set of questions (if anyone is still game):
S1) By virtually universal consensus of the cricket journalists of the day (among them Clem Hill & Charlie Turner), this was the unluckiest bowler of the series.
Can you name him?
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Indeed so. Of Warwickshire. If you look closely at his cap, it looks like the Bear & Ragged Staff - our Basil's favourite county emblem.
He looks (from the picture set) to have had a sense of humour. A "good sort", as they used to say.
He needed it.
See QQ 13 and 15? Two of the many catches, including sitters, dropped off his bowling. He was much praised in the Australian press for his undiminished, big-hearted efforts. And seems in every respect the Darren Gough of his day. If you ever saw Dazzler paw the ground in the heat Down Under in the 1990s, in frustration, wondering what the hell he had to do to make the breakthrough.
But still trying. And occasionally succeeding. Sometimes succeeding ... on his own.
Except Howell had (even?) more catches spilled off him, it seems.
Not so much a case of "bear with me" as "Grin and bear the ragged staff", perhaps.
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by PeterCS Fri 24 Apr 2020, 17:39
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:S2) The home team's leading wicket taker in the series played in the 2nd Test.
But did not bowl a single delivery.
Why not?
(There's one answer that by now may be obvious! But there's also a deeper reason.)
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That pretty much covers it.
Arm wrecked from his work in the Sheffield Shield. He'd played a hard game vs Victorias between 1st and 2nd Tests. It was touch-and-go whether he'd play at all in Melbourne. But clearly, "the googly bowler" as he was commonly known was considered sufficiently valuable to risk putting him out in the middle, and hoping he wouldn't be needed too soon.
In the event, as Skully says, he wasn't needed at all - and that's the second reason he didn't bowl, alluded to in the question.
Reflection: no central contracts in those days. But player fatigue (and physical stress) is nothing new.
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by PeterCS Fri 24 Apr 2020, 18:02
skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:S3) Still outstanding at the time of the series, and to this day regarded as one of his country's best ever, this batsman (the picture is from a few years earlier) played only in the 1st and 5th Tests of the series.
Why? (He wasn't injured - or considered too old.)
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Of course it's "the Governor General"
As to his missing three Tests- yes, gastritis was the first given diagnosis. Taken ill on 27th December, in the same Shield match as crocked Mailey.
First prognosis (via the Aussie press) was that he was "certain to play" in Melbourne, 2nd Test starting 31st December.
But then no.
And then in the course of that match, he was reported as "going to play" in the 3rd Test, Adelaide, in mid-January.
Then this:
To that point, very much a "will he, won't he?" surrounding perhaps the star batsman in the team.
In the event, that "complete rest from cricket" saw him out until he leapt back into the NSW team to play the MCC (18-22 Feb), shortly before the final Test (25 Feb-01 March), and made his presence felt in both. He spanked 170 in the 5th Test, only adding to the tourists' woes. Charlie was back with a vengeance.
I wonder however at a "gastritis" that keeps a cricketer out of all games for over 7 weeks. Macartney was a small, intense, bristlingly competitive & hard-hitting player.
Physical burnout, in the middle of a hot, extremely demanding season? If it really was gastritis, it must surely have been more like dysentery ....!
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