"Series C" - a Big Quiz. (with a long intro/explanation: bear with me ...)
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S2) The home team's leading wicket taker in the series played in the 2nd Test.
But did not bowl a single delivery.
Why not?
(There's one answer that by now may be obvious! But there's also a deeper reason.)
But did not bowl a single delivery.
Why not?
(There's one answer that by now may be obvious! But there's also a deeper reason.)
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S7) Who was appointed captain of the defeated team for the return series?
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- Spoiler:
- a) Is this the England touring squad of 1920-21 to Australia? The difference in the numbers would be the full England touring squad of 16 compared to Warwick Armstrong's XII.
b) Before the 1st Test (Sydney) or 2nd Test (Melbourne) of the 1920-21 series?
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S10) Again: by this stage (if you didn't know them already ...), you should be familiar with some of the names and faces.
a) How many of these hopeful but already jaded-looking travellers can you name?
b) Between which cities is the train (seen in the background) stopping off for a break ... & a photo?
a) How many of these hopeful but already jaded-looking travellers can you name?
b) Between which cities is the train (seen in the background) stopping off for a break ... & a photo?
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skully wrote:
- Spoiler:
a) Is this the England touring squad of 1920-21 to Australia? The difference in the numbers would be the full England touring squad of 16 compared to Warwick Armstrong's XII.
b) Before the 1st Test (Sydney) or 2nd Test (Melbourne) of the 1920-21 series?
A correct answer here will help with the other Qs.
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- SOURCES USED (selection)::
> Books:
David Frith "Pageant of Cricket" [tons of photos] - Macmillan, 1987
David Frith "England versus Australia. A Pictorial History" [tons of photos] - BBC Publications, 1997
Cecil Parkin "Cricket Trials & Tribulations" [cricket-based autobiography] - Nicholls, 1936
Arthur Mailey "10 for 66 & All That" [cricket-based autobiography] - Phoenix House, 1958
R.C. Robertson-Glasgow "Cricket Prints" (Werner Laurie, 1943) and "More Cricket Prints" (same publisher, 1948) [fair & beautifully written assessments of many players, including Douglas & Parkin 1920-1945]
> Film resource:
Pathe [various clips, mostly also published on youtube. Several relevant, but esp. useful for this quiz, being mainly newsreel of England's new caps in the 1920-21 series:] "Cricket (1920-1930)". :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0PKR0e-O0g
or (direct): https://www.britishpathe.com/video/cricket
> Online records, accounts, commentaries & critiques of the tour:
wiki on: "English cricket team in Australia in 1920–21"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_cricket_team_in_Australia_in_1920%E2%80%9321
cricbuzz: "England in Australia, 1920-21"
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-series/1082/england-in-australia-1936-37/review/1053/england-in-australia-1920-21
Text Cricket Tours on: "Tour of Australia 1920-21"
http://test-cricket-tours.co.uk/page_3088249.html
"England's worst ever Ashes tour - and the numbers prove it"
By Justin Goulding, BBC Sport, posted 08 Jan 2014:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/25631389
ESPN [review of the worst results following controversies re: Test teams]:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24906855/test-teams-weakened-disputes-disaster
"Guardian" review of Ashes history highlights [with 2 pictures of this tour]:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2013/nov/20/ashes-england-cricket-team
"Sportstats.au" - informative extended scorecards of the Tests, e.g.:
http://www.sportstats.com.au/zArchive/1920s/1920AE/1920AE1.pdf
Blog: Six illustrated pages (posted March 2018 to Feb 2019) by codename "oldebor": "JWHT Douglas and the 1920-21 England team". This is page 1:
https://oldebor.wordpress.com/2018/03/14/jwht-douglas-and-the-1920-21-england-team/
"Cricket History Thread" on "bigfooty", by a "Richard Pryor" started 14July2019
Features much detailed coverage from Australian newspapers, esp. on the early phase of the tour, incl. its numerous setbacks for the tourists (WA, quarantine etc.):
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/cricket-history-thread.1223440/
> Funds of textual and pictorial material:
Reports & features [searchable] from Australian newspapers of time, esp regional and local press, via "Trove - National Library of Australia": https://trove.nla.gov.au/
State Libraries of South Australia, Victoria, NSW, Queensland [esp. valuable for their online photograph archives]:
https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+280/1/23/200
https://www.slv.vic.gov.au/search-discover/explore-collections-theme
https://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/research-and-collections
https://www.slq.qld.gov.au/research-collections
National Museum [of] Australia [holds massive online photo & document resources - a bit disorganised & duplicated in places, but another huge treasure trove]:
https://www.nma.gov.au/explore
Also:
eBay (mainly archived past sales) - esp. useful for rare/unusual photographs & documents
gettyimages - professional-use company with heavy pricing for use of public domain images it has somehow copyrighted: I used this as a starting point for a usable fund of images, but did not use its images directly.
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skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:
1) Two team photos, taken before the same match.
Team photo A (above) shows a squad of 16 players;
Team photo B (below) only 12 players.
a) How would you account for that difference in numbers?
b) Before which match?
(image of Q1) ]
- Spoiler:
a) Is this the England touring squad of 1920-21 to Australia? The difference in the numbers would be the full England touring squad of 16 compared to Warwick Armstrong's XII.
b) Before the 1st Test (Sydney) or 2nd Test (Melbourne) of the 1920-21 series?
Can only manage this reply tonight - way past me bedtime, uploading & corrections/adjustments took ages  - but I agree it will help to kick the other questions off, also with personnel questions etc.
- Feddback on Skully answers to Q1):
a) It is indeed. Also, a touring squad in those days - generally or 15 or 16 - would be collected as one unit at the start of a series. The home team would be picked on a match-by-match basis. Hence a clue that the team above (in those days "the MCC" - are the "tourists", the team below are the home team.
btw: The date (year) explains the very first comment I made in the thread ...
b) Before the First Test. Thus the MCC squad is still en bloc. All 16 (plus tour manager). The Australian XII also for that opening Test.
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OK. That opens up a lot of the other Qs.
I will attack them slowly over coming days - or get beaten to them by others.
I will attack them slowly over coming days - or get beaten to them by others.
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PeterCS wrote:2) An eccentric early twist to this quiz ...
(if you prefer the more conventional questions, just move on to Q3) etc.!)
a) Locate in the photos above, & name:
One colonel, & two cricket-unrelated captains!
b) Can you name "A back4"? (= the gent not decked out in cricket togs!)
(Bonus point?
c) Can you name who 3 months later became b)'s exact counterpart in the opposing team? (He's not pictured!)
- Spoiler:
a) So you mean a military Colonel and two military captains?
b) English 1920-21 team Manager Fred Toone.
c) Australian Manager to England in 1921 Syd Smith.
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skully wrote:OK. That opens up a lot of the other Qs.
I will attack them slowly over coming days - or get beaten to them by others.
No "beaten to it" when there are spoilers ...
... and no prizes.
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skully wrote:PeterCS wrote:2) An eccentric early twist to this quiz ...
(if you prefer the more conventional questions, just move on to Q3) etc.!)
a) Locate in the photos above, & name:
One colonel, & two cricket-unrelated captains!
b) Can you name "A back4"? (= the gent not decked out in cricket togs!)
(Bonus point?
c) Can you name who 3 months later became b)'s exact counterpart in the opposing team? (He's not pictured!)
- Spoiler:
a) So you mean a military Colonel and two military captains?
b) English 1920-21 team Manager Fred Toone.
c) Australian Manager to England in 1921 Syd Smith.
- Response to Skully's A2):
a) those are the right lines ,,, or is it "stripes"?
b) and c) correct!
NOW bed ... wish me no insomnia ...
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PeterCS wrote:3) Can you:
a) locate & name the two oldest players in Squad A?
b) (ditto), in Team B?
(You can obviously websearch for exact answers, or guesstimate on the basis of knowledge and/or appearance.)
- Spoiler:
- a) 2 Oldest English players in 1920-21 squad - Rockley Wilson and Wilfred Rhodes - both born in 1870s.
b)2 Oldest Australian 1st Test players in 1920-21 - Warren Bardsley and Warwick Armstrong.
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PeterCS wrote:4)
a) How many in Squad A were less than 30 years old at the beginning of the series?
b) (ditto), of Team B?
- Spoiler:
- 1920-21 series started on 17 Dec 1920 so...
a) 3 - PGH Fender, JW Hearne and A Waddington. H Howell turned 30 the month before the 1st Test.
b) 4 - Jack Gregory, Nip Pellew, John Taylor and Bertie Oldfield. Not sure who 12th man was. Roy Park played in 2nd Test for McCartney, but not sure if he was in T1 squad. If Park was 12th in T1 then answer is 5.
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- Spoiler:
- a) I reckon that Reggie Spooner, who was named captain of the squad but had to pull out of the tour for domestic reasons.
b) That's the great Syd Barnes. His last Test was in 1914 before the War but continued to play for the Saltaire Cricket Club during and after the War. I believe he was asked to be part of the 1920-21 touring side (at 47!!) but declined after not having certain conditions (financial?) he required met. Ciss Parkin replaced him in the squad.
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- Spoiler:
- a) I believe that's the RMS Osterley.
b) There was an outbreak of typhoid on the ship, meaning the team had to be quarantined on arrival in Perth in Nov. 1920.
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