Happy Birthday Robert Mugabe

88 next week apparently. Can someone buy him a bullet please?

might have to be a wooden one

Rats ... saw this thread, and thought he might already have 'bought the farm'.

BD is right - an infernal machine would do nicely as a prezzie.

A good sendoff, so to speak.

this is not a defence of Mugabe but ...

Zimbabwe was the 1st euro colony to move to a democracy without bloodshed...for years Mugabe was an absolute hero and Zimbabwe a miracle in Africa...It served as an early model for the peaceful transition from white fascist rule in Sth Africa..

Mugabe would have been better to have pegged out 20 years ago...he would have left a great legacy and been fondly remembered

Actually when the first land reforms were put in place, whilst not being universally ecepted by the extremes on both the black and white sides, they were generally well regarded by the moderates within Zimbabwe and the International community. The process was relatively (depending on your view of the world) blood free as well.

A real shame Kissinger's maxim held true.

Mugabe, do the world a favour and die on your 88th birthday, you pathetic old qunt.

Zat wrote:Mugabe, do the world a favour and die on your 88th birthday, you pathetic old qunt.

You have him in the CDL?

Nah, just can't think of any way that him staying alive is a good thing.

horace wrote:this is not a defence of Mugabe but ...

Zimbabwe was the 1st euro colony to move to a democracy without bloodshed...for years Mugabe was an absolute hero and Zimbabwe a miracle in Africa...It served as an early model for the peaceful transition from white fascist rule in Sth Africa..

Mugabe would have been better to have pegged out 20 years ago...he would have left a great legacy and been fondly remembered

Without bloodshed.


WTF are you talking about.

relative bloodshed at the end

I'm pretty sure Joshua Nkomo would have had plenty to say about that line of horrie's.

So shooting down airliners and murdering the survivors doesn't count as bloodshed in horrie's book?

taipan wrote:

horace wrote:this is not a defence of Mugabe but ...

Zimbabwe was the 1st euro colony to move to a democracy without bloodshed...for years Mugabe was an absolute hero and Zimbabwe a miracle in Africa...It served as an early model for the peaceful transition from white fascist rule in Sth Africa..

Mugabe would have been better to have pegged out 20 years ago...he would have left a great legacy and been fondly remembered

Without bloodshed.
WTF are you talking about.

Beat me to it ....
Your post's a farking joke horace ... the bush wars... the targeting of airliners ... What kinda farking hero s that?
Invites old Josh (ZAPU) to join him as head of Government to appear to look good , then craps all over the big guy a year later ... and wipes out Zapu ...
The miracle WAS Zimbabwe ... the breadbasket of southern Africa - which today resembles a ravaged and barren land infested with fear where a litre of petrol (if you can source it) costs you a wadge of notes a foot thick tied together with string.

Mugabe is and always has been a murdering thug - and to colourfully refer to him in glowing "democratic saviour" terms is absolute crap.

You just know he's going to try and play the NSR card, but his following post negates that.

Yeah, agreed, I abide horrie's consistent yawngasm wind-ups about either England or SA (just to get at Taips) - but this hasn't hasn't stopped short of meandering into f*cking twattery.

horace wrote:this is not a defence of Mugabe but ...

Zimbabwe was the 1st euro colony to move to a democracy without bloodshed...for years Mugabe was an absolute hero and Zimbabwe a miracle in Africa...It served as an early model for the peaceful transition from white fascist rule in Sth Africa..

Mugabe would have been better to have pegged out 20 years ago...he would have left a great legacy and been fondly remembered

F*****G disgraceful comment Horrie.

Heh, seems the Colostomy Kid has overstepped the mark a tad.

horace wrote:this is not a defence of Mugabe but ...

Zimbabwe was the 1st euro colony to move to a democracy without bloodshed...for years Mugabe was an absolute hero and Zimbabwe a miracle in Africa...It served as an early model for the peaceful transition from white fascist rule in Sth Africa..

Mugabe would have been better to have pegged out 20 years ago...he would have left a great legacy and been fondly remembered

Right, with grudging apologies to Horrie - the rest of this post is authored by my partner - who is in a position to know:

I wouldn't say that the transitions was without bloodshed the terrorist war was horrific with tragic loss of life of innocent civilians both black and and white, children in boarding schools wondering if they would ever see their parents again as they drove home to farms out in the bush. Landmines, planes shot down and then the survivors brutally murdered, hardly a civilised handover. However, initially when Mugable came to power it was relatively peaceful, when Muzorewa stood down, but this could have been they Treaty that was signed by the British and Zimbabwean gov with Lord Soames, and have had something to do with support and lots of British pounds something in the region of £30 million I think the sum was. This was for peace and protection of Land for a period of approximately 10 to 20 years. But then when that timed out the terror on the farms started. Road blocks where you had to bribe your way through or risk being beaten up. Animals slaughtered and butchered left to die in agony just so that the farmers could watch and hear their cries.

Farmers beaten up and then tied to pick up trucks and dragged until their skin was pulled from their body. The so called war veterans camping on your farm, beating drums and threatening you and your family if you didnt leave your property. Zimbabwe was the bread basked of Africa, now 1 in 4 has aids and are dying apalling deaths due to lack of hospital resources , and medicines. Teachers not paid so children not being educated but then there is no work for the majority so school, health food etc is out of their league anyway. Yes Zimbabwe is manificient and beautiful and the people are kind and brave but it only takes one tyrant to destroy a country. If you are truly interested in Zimbabwe's story read Cathy Buckles books African Tears and her sequeal beyond African Tears you will cry it is heart rending.

There are many books that you could read another interesting author is Peter Goodwin When a Crocodile Eats the Sun and his other book The Fear. The books are easily written with compassion and are his true and personal accounts of his and his familiy and friends. Regards

I think the "timing out" was important not only for marking a loss of international economic transfusions, but a point at which it was clear Zanu had not managed (tried?) to institute a workable economy - on any political lines, multiracial or more sectarian - but had merely rewarded its senior party members (and young thugs) with status and a degree of wealth.

At that point - as with Mao's China by the time of the "Cultural Revolution" - a scapegoat had to be found, and harried, so as to "justify" by then desperate measures.

The local "intransigent" whites, on the one hand, and (in polemic) the "revanchist" "plotting", "malevolent" old colonial power were convenient targets for emotive propaganda as well as (again as in China 1967-68) hotheaded, brutal - and economically further retrograde - political activity.

And how does all of that explain the 5th brigade in Matabeleland.