Arise Sir Flintoff

by Anniyan Wed 22 Jul 2009, 13:30

If England win the Ashes and no doubt Freddy will play a big part in it, will he get a knighthood? I think he deserves one...... Very Happy

by taipan Wed 22 Jul 2009, 13:35

It's Sir Andrew, you twit.

by Shoeshine Wed 22 Jul 2009, 17:20

And the answer would be no. Might get upgraded to OBE though.

by PeterCS Wed 22 Jul 2009, 23:40

Lord Flintoff of Bedrock

by Zat Sat 25 Jul 2009, 06:53

If Flintoff gets a knighthood, then Botham should be made a Lord.

by furriner Sat 25 Jul 2009, 07:22

He's drunk as a lord anyway.

Why am I so surprised that zat boy is the only Aussie around?

by furriner Sat 25 Jul 2009, 07:22

I'm not surprised, not really in case you were asking.

by Zat Sat 25 Jul 2009, 07:24

skulls was around before. I'm doing a few work-related things, but being a weekend, I don't feel I need to give them 100% of my attention.

by furriner Sat 25 Jul 2009, 07:24

Now need to trot out the obligatory insult (which I support wholeheartedly):

You zat. wazzup, you Aussie aunt?

Skulls? "Softcock", as some Aussie say.

by Zat Sat 25 Jul 2009, 07:24

And who'd be asking? I'm the only one around...

by Guest Sat 25 Jul 2009, 13:42

Zat wrote:If Flintoff gets a knighthood, then Botham should be made a Lord.

The King, even.

by Anniyan Mon 24 Aug 2009, 20:01

Arise Sir Andrew!!

by Zat Mon 24 Aug 2009, 22:51

I suppose it's inevitable. After all, the 2005 team managed to cheap the MBE as an award, so Fred should now be allowed to cheap the concept of a knighthood.

by JGK Tue 25 Aug 2009, 08:57

Not that it would happen but Freddie would surely be the worst cricketer ever to be knighted (for mostly cricketing exploits).

by Merlin Tue 25 Aug 2009, 09:06

Brown (a typical stone-dead Jock) ...... more keen on swapping Libyan bombers for lucrative commercial deals with terrorist regimes ... isn't himself partial to cricket other than the one chirping in his back yard.

So it is highly unlikely Fred will ever get the sword-tap.

Gaddafi, on the other hand, might well find himself being annointed at Buck House in the very near future ...
Watch this space.

by Fred Nerk Tue 25 Aug 2009, 09:09

"Not that it would happen but Freddie would surely be the worst cricketer ever to be knighted (for mostly cricketing exploits)."

By some considerable margin.

It'd be a hell of a lot more interesting to try and find the worst cricketer ever to be knighted for non-cricketing exploits.

by lardbucket Tue 25 Aug 2009, 09:14

'worst cricketer to be knighted for non-cricketing exploits'

Sir Alec Douglas Home, maybe?

by JKLever Tue 25 Aug 2009, 09:32

You can judge a cricketer too much by stats sometimes. All I'll say is he is the only person other than IT. Botham in my time watching cricket who has emptied bars just incase you miss him playing.

Let's not forget his stats after 23 tests - bat 18, ball 50

Since 2002-3, he's had an excellent test career to improve those.

The 'great' man speaks about himself...

Flintoff undoubtedly has raised the performance levels of those around him but is he one of the greats of the game? Is he up there as
an all-rounder with the likes of Botham and Kapil Dev? Many cricket fans would say yes. Flintoff, resoundingly, says no. “I have never achieved greatness and I don’t profess to,” he said. “I was asked 'have you been a great cricketer?' and the obvious answer is no.

“That’s the Bothams, the Sobers, the Imran Khans, the Tendulkars, the Ricky Pontings who achieved greatness over a long period of time, playing Test after Test after Test.“I have performed at times and I am proud to have done that. For the bulk of my career I have played through pain and
with injury so to be out on the field was an achievement in some ways - but as for greatness? Nah.“But I played in a team which performed and I’m sat here now happy with myself and proud.”

by taipan Tue 25 Aug 2009, 09:35

JKLever wrote:You can judge a cricketer too much by stats sometimes. All I'll say is he is the only person other than IT. Botham in my time watching cricket who has emptied bars just incase you miss him playing.

Let's not forget his stats after 23 tests - bat 18, ball 50

Since 2002-3, he's had an excellent test career to improve those.

The 'great' man speaks about himself...

Flintoff undoubtedly has raised the performance levels of those around him but is he one of the greats of the game? Is he up there as
an all-rounder with the likes of Botham and Kapil Dev? Many cricket fans would say yes. Flintoff, resoundingly, says no. “I have never achieved greatness and I don’t profess to,” he said. “I was asked 'have you been a great cricketer?' and the obvious answer is no.

“That’s the Bothams, the Sobers, the Imran Khans, the Tendulkars, the Ricky Pontings who achieved greatness over a long period of time, playing Test after Test after Test.“I have performed at times and I am proud to have done that. For the bulk of my career I have played through pain and
with injury so to be out on the field was an achievement in some ways - but as for greatness? Nah.“But I played in a team which performed and I’m sat here now happy with myself and proud.”

So that's sorted then.

Not a great.

by lardbucket Tue 25 Aug 2009, 09:37

Better than Jesus, but not great?

by Zat Tue 25 Aug 2009, 23:41

Finished with Test averages of 31.77 with the bat and 32.78 with the ball. Doesn't even pass the basic all-rounder's Test of having a lower bowling average than batting average.

Mercurial? Certainly. Great? No. Knighthood material? If so, then it's another argument for Australia ditching the Monarchy.

by Guest Tue 25 Aug 2009, 23:52

Zat wrote:Finished with Test averages of 31.77 with the bat and 32.78 with the ball. Doesn't even pass the basic all-rounder's Test of having a lower bowling average than batting average.

Mercurial? Certainly. Great? No. Knighthood material? If so, then it's another argument for Australia ditching the Monarchy.

He shouldn't and will not get a knighthood, such talk is ridiuclous.

Though with regards to the "basic allrounder test", I think it's bullshit quite frankly. I would say that having someone averaging 35 with the ball and 34.5 with the bat is rarely going to win you a match.

Not saying he is in the same league (at all) but analysing Flintoff purely on stats will never give you an idea of how good a player he was.

The fact is that he would have walked in to any team over the last 5 years. And without him we wouldn't have won the 2005 ashes and would have had a hard time winning the 2009 lords test.

He is no Botham but he's still a(n English) legend. No longer will we talk about who "the next Botham" is, it will now be "who is the next Flintoff".

by PeterCS Wed 26 Aug 2009, 00:23

lardbucket wrote:Better than Jesus, but not great?

Jesus was overrated as an all-rounder. And he had thiose hand injuries.

by JKLever Wed 26 Aug 2009, 02:04

vilkrang wrote:
Not saying he is in the same league (at all) but analysing Flintoff purely on stats will never give you an idea of how good a player he was.

The fact is that he would have walked in to any team over the last 5 years. And without him we wouldn't have won the 2005 ashes and would have had a hard time winning the 2009 lords test.

He is no Botham but he's still a(n English) legend. No longer will we talk about who "the next Botham" is, it will now be "who is the next Flintoff".

Farking Word!

Let's not forget after 23 tests he averaged 18 with the bat and 50 (FFS!) with the ball. He's been a damn fine test cricketer since 2003

by Zat Wed 26 Aug 2009, 02:24

PeterCS wrote:
lardbucket wrote:Better than Jesus, but not great?

Jesus was overrated as an all-rounder. And he had thiose hand injuries.

But he still came back after being nailed to a cross, as opposed to giving up because of a dodgy knee.

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