What Tim Bresnan brings to the England team...

Dello wrote:

eowyn wrote:It's hard attach Cork legs to Brezzie's bum...

Whoazers. I don't know what I'm looking at.

Can you make 5 of these, to tour Oz?

Dello wrote:

Basil wrote:

beamer wrote:Well, Anderson and Broad are certainties, Tremlett and Finn will be seen as suited to Australia's bouncier pitches. How many seamers do they usually take, 5 or 6? Can't see Onions being on the plane and the younger candidates are some way off.

I'm sure it was six last time round, including Shazhad who I think we can agree will just miss out this time round! I think one of the younger bowlers will go and I think it will be either Overton or Jordan. Mills might be quick, but he doesn't appear to do anything with the ball and I think his stamina is suspect if England's warm-up game is anything to go by.

I've got a vague idea Shahzad was a late call up to make up the numbers for a tour game and they just kept him on.

Bresnan will tour. He's the new Giles. England never leave home without him.

Future England coach, picking crap Yorkshire players by the dozen?

beamer wrote:

Dello wrote:

Basil wrote:

beamer wrote:Well, Anderson and Broad are certainties, Tremlett and Finn will be seen as suited to Australia's bouncier pitches. How many seamers do they usually take, 5 or 6? Can't see Onions being on the plane and the younger candidates are some way off.

I'm sure it was six last time round, including Shazhad who I think we can agree will just miss out this time round! I think one of the younger bowlers will go and I think it will be either Overton or Jordan. Mills might be quick, but he doesn't appear to do anything with the ball and I think his stamina is suspect if England's warm-up game is anything to go by.

I've got a vague idea Shahzad was a late call up to make up the numbers for a tour game and they just kept him on.

Bresnan will tour. He's the new Giles. England never leave home without him.

Future England coach, picking crap Yorkshire players by the dozen?

Gets the freedom of Halifax bestowed on him (Gilo has been made a freeman of Droitwich!)

Basil wrote:This post might look quite foolish by this time tomorrow  if, Brezzie has belted a run-a-ball 50 and taken 5-30, but I think his place for the winter tour is in jeopardy as he's certainly not the bowler he was on the last tour to Oz.

I don't think he's ever been that bowler. He's just a steady Eddie who bowled a couple of good spells.

Brez did well - against most expectations - in Oz 2010-11.

Which creates perhaps misleading goodwill in his favour.

He was whanging it down a bit faster then, too.



Just checked:

Played 2 Tests

MCG - 2-25 / 13 & 4-50 / 21.4 - decisive input in the win as a bowler (tho only 4 in his one innings with the bat)

SCG - 3-89 / 30 & 2-51 / 18 - important input in the win as a bowler (plus 35, in his one innings with the bat)

The bionic arm is not very much in evidence.

His stats in first class cricket over a 10 year career have been pretty ordinary, really. Considering he's bowled a lot at Headingley, with conditions often in his favour. An average above 30 and a strike rate close to 60 isn't really the numbers of a bower who is penetrative enough to cut the mustard at the top level.

As has been mentioned, he's been living off those two tests in the Ashes for a long time. Hopefully they recognise that Stokes is a better all round cricketer with more scope for improvement and they start picking him instead.

Well woofed Henry.

Brass Monkey wrote:

Henry wrote:Vital runs these from Bresnan. His best test innings to date.

Easily. By country miles. Was going to post it on that desperado Bresnan thread, but here'll do.

No, got to be here too.

Well done, Gaz. Bionic Bum must read the forum.

I am wondering if the Bionic Bum has earned an eowyn grope yet.

Is it time to name him Tim Bwesnan yet?

Woofed him...

BOLLOX!

Pete - you done AF'd Bwesnan. F'd him bullseye in the A.

I am truly sorry. It was your invitation to have him on the Jonathan Ross show that really did for him though.

It wasn't me! It was Gawy. Fwom Yowkshire.

You and him both mate. You and him both.

Aren't you the same person, anyway? "Gary", your Northern alter ego?

My alter ego is Arthur Scargill. An' this time it's personal.

I thought you were more



grass roots.

eowyn wrote:Well done, Gaz. Bionic Bum must read the forum.

Aye, the bum done good.

It was a really good spell, and a fine knock.

I still worry his bowling isn't incisive enough for a four man attack. He's capable of a good spell here and there but match figures of 3/99 on a pitch tailor made for him isn't exceptional.

On the other hand, he's got cojones. Crucial wicket of Warner and his greatest ever performance came in the biggest game of his life, called up from nowhere to play in front of 100,000 people in England's most important Test of the last 8 years. The dilemma between him and Finn is Finn has all the talent and Bresnan all the heart.

Gary 111 wrote:
The dilemma between him and Finn is Finn has all the talent and Bresnan all the heart.

And Bresnan can run through the crease without barrelling into the stumps like an inebriated giraffe on ice.

PeterCS wrote:I thought you were more



grass roots.

Is that Chappelli???

And yeah, yesterday Bresnan showed why England like him so much. And yes, I admit the man has stones. But talent is something that you either have or you don't. He deserves to play at the Oval...probably deserves to go to Australia in the Ashes squad. But under normal circumstances, you wouldn't say he's one of England's top three pacemen.

Never doubted him.


Seriously, such up and down stories are a good example of why it's a bit bananas to call a player SHIT. Or for that matter, laud them to the skies like an old-fashioned pubescent schoolgirl.

Few players are total crap, in all circumstances, for all time. Also few are heroes from start to finish, without a flaw, without a flop.

You have to assess 'em case for case, in the round.

Speaking of in the round, .... no better boy than Brez.

I take the whole 'shit' thing was for me.

What I actually said was:

Brass Monkey wrote:What Tim Bresnan brings to the England team... ?

Very rarely gets important runs.

Cannot be trusted for penetrative bowling within a four-man attack. Easily the worst bowler on show thus far.