The problem with Dubber cricket

NSW Cricket selection issues

New South Wales are languishing on the bottom of both the Sheffield Shield and domestic One-Day cup ladders, and in the search for answers, cricketers across the state are angry.

As the biggest state with the strongest club competition not only in Australia, but arguably anywhere in the world, New South Wales traditionally produces the lion’s share of Australian representatives.

During the Boxing Day Test, former Australian fast bowler Stuart Clark exploded on ABC Radio, saying Cricket NSW was, “fascinated with picking 19-year-olds and not those who have earned the right to play.”

I have to say I have been consistently amazed/dismayed at the poorness of the Dubber XI over the past few years, particularly the top 7.

I have constantly mused to myself "how can we only muster this shit squad from such a strong Grade competition?".

Maybe Gump is on to something.

Aye , when looking at the top batting averages only KP makes the side.
Top run scorer can't get a look in.

The constant selection of Jack & Mickey Edwards frustrates me.

Two very ordinary cricketers.

Rogers coaches a pretty young team. Most of the youngsters have shown positive signs.

I worry the involvement of youngsters in BaBeL stuffs their development. May have happened with the Dubber kids.

The persistent rain in Sydney over recent months may have led to Grade matches being called off and hampered preparation.

They havent raided Woz for a while

Phillipe and Rockercholi are ripe

Possibly Kelly too

Who are the Pathway youth in that lot?

Looks like a bunch of underperforming players


New South Wales batting averages
Player Mat Runs Ave
A Zampa 1 35 35
KR Patterson 6 292 32.44
MC Henriques 6 307 30.7
SA Abbott 4 205 29.28
BJ Holt 6 230 28.75
JJS Sangha 6 255 25.5
DP Hughes 5 252 25.2
CJ Green 2 70 23.33
B Nikitaras 4 157 22.42
M Gilkes 5 140 17.5
J Edwards 1 32 16
BJ Dwarshuis 4 63 12.6
R Hackney 1 11 11
H Kerr 1 18 9
CP Tremain 6 67 8.37
MW Edwards 2 25 8.33
TW Gray 1 6 3
NM Lyon 3 8 2.66
LC Hatcher 3 2 2
New South Wales bowling averages
Player Mat Wkts Ave
H Kerr 1 3 12.33
CJ Green 2 12 12.83
MC Henriques 6 4 22.5
J Edwards 1 2 25
BJ Dwarshuis 4 12 26.91
CP Tremain 6 13 28.23
TW Gray 1 3 34.66
A Zampa 1 3 35.33
NM Lyon 3 8 37.5
MW Edwards 2 4 38
SA Abbott 4 11 38.36
JJS Sangha 6 2 50.5
LC Hatcher 3 4 75
M Gilkes 5 -
R Hackney 1 -
BJ Holt 6 -
DP Hughes 5 -
B Nikitaras 4 -
KR Patterson 6 -

embee wrote:Who are the Pathway youth in that lot?

Looks like a bunch of underperforming players


New South Wales batting averages
Player Mat Runs Ave
A Zampa 1 35 35
KR Patterson 6 292 32.44
MC Henriques 6 307 30.7
SA Abbott 4 205 29.28
BJ Holt 6 230 28.75
JJS Sangha 6 255 25.5
DP Hughes 5 252 25.2
CJ Green 2 70 23.33
B Nikitaras 4 157 22.42
M Gilkes 5 140 17.5
J Edwards 1 32 16
BJ Dwarshuis 4 63 12.6
R Hackney 1 11 11
H Kerr 1 18 9
CP Tremain 6 67 8.37
MW Edwards 2 25 8.33
TW Gray 1 6 3
NM Lyon 3 8 2.66
LC Hatcher 3 2 2
New South Wales bowling averages
Player Mat Wkts Ave
H Kerr 1 3 12.33
CJ Green 2 12 12.83
MC Henriques 6 4 22.5
J Edwards 1 2 25
BJ Dwarshuis 4 12 26.91
CP Tremain 6 13 28.23
TW Gray 1 3 34.66
A Zampa 1 3 35.33
NM Lyon 3 8 37.5
MW Edwards 2 4 38
SA Abbott 4 11 38.36
JJS Sangha 6 2 50.5
LC Hatcher 3 4 75
M Gilkes 5 -
R Hackney 1 -
BJ Holt 6 -
DP Hughes 5 -
B Nikitaras 4 -
KR Patterson 6 -

Off the top of my head Holt,Sangha,Nikitaras,Gilkes,J Edwards, M Edwards,Hackney,Kerr, Hatcher,Gray

And of those, only Sangha and Holt have even looked like performing.

How dire are we going when only OKP and Reeks are averaging above 30 (and only just).

I blame the BaBeL (and a lack of talent).

The difference between the names in best averages/runs for the Bats , and wickets for the Bowlers in the Premier Grade comp , and the SS/OD side is quite telling.
Grade players aren't getting the rewards for the most part.

Was having a look at the Premier Grade averages from the Sydney Comp just now (21-22), and it seems that 14 of the games in the season were One Day Games and just 4 matches were 2 day games.

Jesus H Christ, add the BBL and it's no wonder no NSW batsman can build an innings these days.

Is the game schedule similar in other States i.e. favouring a plethora of One Day games??

OK, I've had a quick squizz, and it seems Qld play 20-odd 2 day games per Grade season (although some of these are probably actually one day games), the Vomits play almost exclusively One Day games, the Tozzies have about a 50/50 split between 2 day and One day games, the Barrels Premier Grade Cricket website is shit (surprise, surprise) so I can only find the fact that there have been 3 rounds of cricket in Adelaide so far this season, and the Sandies seem to have a roughly 1/3 of games as 2 day and 2/3 as one day.

So the 3 States that play the most 2 day cricket are Qld, Tas and WA. ATM these are the top 3 teams in the Shield table. Make of that what you will but to me it seems to spell "more 2 day Grade cricket = better results at Shield level".

There are 12 teams in the Brisbane First Grade competition who play every other team once in the 2 Day Format. So that's 11 two day fixtures plus potentially a semi-final & grand-final. However, a lot of the games in the first half of the season are 50 over or 20/20 which isn't ideal.

As long ago as 1972 Australia’s best Test in a series occurred when they got rid of every last Dubber.

skully wrote:OK, I've had a quick squizz, and it seems Qld play 20-odd 2 day games per Grade season (although some of these are probably actually one day games), the Vomits play almost exclusively One Day games, the Tozzies have about a 50/50 split between 2 day and One day games, the Barrels Premier Grade Cricket website is shit (surprise, surprise) so I can only find the fact that there have been 3 rounds of cricket in Adelaide so far this season, and the Sandies seem to have a roughly 1/3 of games as 2 day and 2/3 as one day.

So the 3 States that play the most 2 day cricket are Qld, Tas and WA. ATM these are the top 3 teams in the Shield table. Make of that what you will but to me it seems to spell "more 2 day Grade cricket = better results at Shield level".

Well pickle me Grandmother, who would've thought more exposure to the longer game, the better they are at the four day game.
Now if only the idiots at NSWCA would see the obvious.

Amen BA

They are back playing red ball 2 day cricket here last I checked. Covid was cited as the cause of fixturing here.

State second XIs are back playing on Monday