MCC meets to discuss improvisation by KP

Pietersen's about-turn

SG wrote:Pietersen's about-turn

Underlines the MCC's irelevancy. Twats!

If the fielding team can't move as the bowler runs in, why can the batsman swap his stance?

If the fielding team can't move as the bowler runs in, why can the batsman swap his stance?

Agreed.

And if a bowler has to intimate the umpire if he is bowling LH or RH then why shouldn't the batsman do the same?

Agreed it was bold and effective innovation by KP but was it fair on the bowlers? I don't think it was.

But won't this discussion endanger a stroke called reverse sweep as well?

Invader Zim wrote:If the fielding team can't move as the bowler runs in, why can the batsman swap his stance?

Never thought i'd hear objections from you against someone who wants to swing the other way.....

Balls to the fuddle headed old men who're going to decide on this, i.e. the authorities.

Pietersen has shown he is the stuff of genius. Or, to be prosaic, the lad has innovated in the truest sense of that word.

Now keep debating!

Henry wrote:

Invader Zim wrote:If the fielding team can't move as the bowler runs in, why can the batsman swap his stance?

Never thought i'd hear objections from you against someone who wants to swing the other way.....

Dude, he is the other way.

Would be ludicrous to "outlaw" this. As a bowler, you would love to bowl to a guy who changes his stance halfway through a delivery. If he's good enough, good on him but you'll get him eventually. I really couldn't see him playing it in a Test match which was evenly poised so if he is only going to play in in JAMODIs and JAMOTTs then go for it.

I really couldn't see him playing it in a Test match which was evenly poised so if he is only going to play in in JAMODIs and JAMOTTs then go for it.

He played it against Murali in a test at Edgbaston and hit him for six. Make it legal, but eliminate the possibility of a wide (Unless the bowler bowls it about 2 metres wide).

absurd to make it illegal...good on KP for innovating...i think bowlers esp. fast bowlers however would rejoice if this took on among batting sides..

personally i could bat almost equally as well - left or right handed (really that should have been equally poorly)...

i think KP should not be shackled by a bunch of gin sodden upper class twits

What innovation is this? The reverse sweep has been played for over 15 years so far as I can recall.

taipan wrote:What innovation is this? The reverse sweep has been played for over 15 years so far as I can recall.

Not with the opposite hand though. Maybe Pietersen is the only one uniquely talented enough to perform this shot in this manner. Pity for Sa that he chose England over them. Pity for us in terms of the Ashes because he will undoubtedly be their key batsman next year.

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:What innovation is this? The reverse sweep has been played for over 15 years so far as I can recall.

Not with the opposite hand though. Maybe Pietersen is the only one uniquely talented enough to perform this shot in this manner. Pity for Sa that he chose England over them. Pity for us in terms of the Ashes because he will undoubtedly be their key batsman next year.

What difference does it make, he is still changing his stance.

At a time when people are worried that cricket is too boring, they want to put the brakes on one of the sports most entertaining players.

COARIAB.

JGK wrote:At a time when people are worried that cricket is too boring, they want to put the brakes on one of the sports most entertaining players.

COARIAB.

Sounds like the old farts at the MCC.

Are there any MCC members here?

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:What innovation is this? The reverse sweep has been played for over 15 years so far as I can recall.

Not with the opposite hand though. Maybe Pietersen is the only one uniquely talented enough to perform this shot in this manner. Pity for Sa that he chose England over them. Pity for us in terms of the Ashes because he will undoubtedly be their key batsman next year.

What difference does it make, he is still changing his stance.

...taips one of his 6's was a drive over extra cover...very different to a reverse sweep.

horace wrote:

taipan wrote:

Red wrote:

taipan wrote:What innovation is this? The reverse sweep has been played for over 15 years so far as I can recall.

Not with the opposite hand though. Maybe Pietersen is the only one uniquely talented enough to perform this shot in this manner. Pity for Sa that he chose England over them. Pity for us in terms of the Ashes because he will undoubtedly be their key batsman next year.

What difference does it make, he is still changing his stance.

...taips one of his 6's was a drive over extra cover...very different to a reverse sweep.

Accepted Horrie, but still doesn't alter the fact that he changed from right to left hand. Unless we accept that a reverse sweep for 6 is okay and a cover drive isn't.

doesn't bother me in the slightest whether he changes stance or not...may as well outlaw using your feet to step outside the crease to attack the bowling

horace wrote:doesn't bother me in the slightest whether he changes stance or not...may as well outlaw using your feet to step outside the crease to attack the bowling

Agreed, the only thing people are getting peed off about is that it worked. If he had chucked his wicket away, all the poms would be calling him a silly arse.

Don't outlaw it. Just make wides harder to be given and modify the LBW rule.

Agree, the LBW rule must be changed.

Just ban India and the game will be immeasurably better.

taipan wrote:

JGK wrote:At a time when people are worried that cricket is too boring, they want to put the brakes on one of the sports most entertaining players.

COARIAB.

Sounds like the old farts at the MCC.

Are there any MCC members here?

Yep.

The one reason MCC are compelled to "debate" the issue is because of the queries submitted to them
concerning the "legality" of the shot.
ie., Right hander becoming a left hander without pre-notification to the Umpire.
The issue with KP is that he actually swaps his hand grip on the bat handle whilst the bowler is in delivery stride.

As batsmen are allowed to pull away for an 'obstruction' which they consider distracting them as the bowler aproaches,
you might now have the reverse situation, as the bowler stops mid delivery when he sees the batsman's movement
reversing his grip and stance.

MCC did not unilaterally decide to call this meeting.
They are compelled to debate an issue (as Guardians of the Laws of Cricket) if the legality of said issue is challenged.
Another implication will involve the determination of a wide.

Anyway, it seems most unlikely the shot will be "banned".

PS Most bowlers questioned welcome that kinda shot - as they believe it gives them an even chance of them grabbing a wicket.