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South Africa v England, 2nd Test, Durban, Dec 26-30
For England, i'd go with Plunkett for Bell, and possibly someone else instead of Cook. We seem a bit light in the batting department now that Cook is technically shot, and Bell mentally incapable. Actually, anyone else with just minimal knowledge of cricket apart from the England selectors apparently could have told you that Cook and Bell should not be in the England side at the moment. Both deserve to be dropped, but I think Cook will get another chance- The only other option is to play Steve Davies as a specialist batsman. He opens the innings in domestic one day cricket, but I doubt England will be brave enough to play him as a test match opener. What's Bell's test average since his 196 against South Africa at Lord's last year? About 20 in his next 12 or so tests since then? Disgrace. Likely team will be-
Strauss(c)
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior+
Swann
Broad
Plunkett
Anderson
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For South Africa- The end of the road for Ntini? He was the least penetrative of their bowlers at Centurion. De Wet looks like a bit of a Steyn clone, and if Steyn himself is fit, I can't see room in the side for Makhaya. Possible side-
Smith(c)
Prince
Amla
Kallis
De Villiers
Duminy
Boucher+
M.Morkel
Harris
De Wet
Steyn
Strauss(c)
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior+
Swann
Broad
Plunkett
Anderson
Onions
For South Africa- The end of the road for Ntini? He was the least penetrative of their bowlers at Centurion. De Wet looks like a bit of a Steyn clone, and if Steyn himself is fit, I can't see room in the side for Makhaya. Possible side-
Smith(c)
Prince
Amla
Kallis
De Villiers
Duminy
Boucher+
M.Morkel
Harris
De Wet
Steyn
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5 bowlers is the sensible way to go - but this is England we're talking about so Luke Lightweight is probably ahead of Plunkett in the queue. Actually don't be surprised if we field the same eleven.
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Basil wrote:5 bowlers is the sensible way to go - but this is England we're talking about so Luke Lightweight is probably ahead of Plunkett in the queue. Actually don't be surprised if we field the same eleven.
they did you guys proud in the first test
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horace wrote:Basil wrote:5 bowlers is the sensible way to go - but this is England we're talking about so Luke Lightweight is probably ahead of Plunkett in the queue. Actually don't be surprised if we field the same eleven.
they did you guys proud in the first test
Some of them did!
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some of them did - some of them dud
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Sooky is finding Trott's procrastinations at the crease quite consternating.
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Red wrote:Sooky is finding Trott's procrastinations at the crease quite consternating.
And quite correctly so
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So what's Trott do then? Waste time? Or hang around looking mortified when dismissed? Or just a boring farker with the bat?
Looked OK in T5 of Ashes 09.
Looked OK in T5 of Ashes 09.
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skully wrote:So what's Trott do then? Waste time? Or hang around looking mortified when dismissed? Or just a boring farker with the bat?
Looked OK in T5 of Ashes 09.
No it is the timewasting between balls we are talking about.
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However, the main source of frustration for Smith wasn't England's relief at securing a draw but from the mannerisms of Trott at the crease. Trott likes to take his time to prepare for each delivery, which often involves marking his guard and assessing the field, and was given an official warning for time-wasting during the ODI series.
"It's been a constant thing throughout the one-dayers and the Tests," Smith said. "I'm all for a batter taking their time - I'm not the quickest at the crease - but when a bowler has to constantly keep stopping and reassessing throughout the game it gets a bit frustrating.
"It's not something we are going to lose sleep over, but it's a second here and there for him to make a better effort to improve the pace of the game which is what everyone wants."
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Almost every 2nd ball the quickies had to abort their run up when they turned, started running and realised he hadn't taken guard.
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Roo wrote:Jonathan Trott won't be changing the way he bats despite riling the South Africans with the slow nature of his preparations for each delivery. During the final day of the first Test in Centurion, Graeme Smith became increasingly annoyed by Trott's mannerisms, and the umpires told the England batsman to make sure he was ready for the bowler.
Trott had previously been warned about his pace of play in the one-day series, and on a number of occasions during his 69 on Sunday the South African bowlers had to abort their run-ups. However, Trott doesn't see what all the fuss is about and won't be making any concessions during the second Test at Durban.
"I've never really had any complaints before," he said. "It's one of those things, I do to get myself prepared and make sure I'm in the right frame of mind to help contribute to the England side.
"I don't play cricket to get under people's skin. I play cricket to be effective and I have my things I do to get myself ready for battle. Maybe it can mess with their over-rate or whatever, but it's just what I do and I won't be changing it.
"It's what's got me to this position to be able to play for England and it's an exciting time. I won't be trying to do anything different to what I know best."
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Aye, he's the classic idjit fidgit ...taipan wrote:skully wrote:So what's Trott do then? Waste time? Or hang around looking mortified when dismissed? Or just a boring farker with the bat?
Looked OK in T5 of Ashes 09.
No it is the timewasting between balls we are talking about.
Twitching, adjusting pads, scuffing the crease, three look-arounds, peering down the track ... he does the lot!!!
But if it pisses off the Sniffer - go fer it Trotter ... top man!
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And he's a Yarp (which must really peeve Smiffy).
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Strauss(c)
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior+
Swann
Broad
Bresnan
Anderson
Onions
Bresnan for Bellhop.
Bowls cleverly and can bat a bit.
Cook
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood
Prior+
Swann
Broad
Bresnan
Anderson
Onions
Bresnan for Bellhop.
Bowls cleverly and can bat a bit.
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Yep, if it annoys Smiffy, then carry on doing it. Though actually it seemed to me that all the bowlers had to do was carry on running in. Trott seems like one of those players who settles down as the bowler starts his run up, so he would have been ready and was ready when they aborted the run up. In any case, it's not for the bowlers to decide he isn't ready, why not just carry on?
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Sniff always likes a moan, a whinge, a bleat ...no matter what the issue.
One must make allowances for the sad farquar ... 11 runs in the match can't have excited him much !
One must make allowances for the sad farquar ... 11 runs in the match can't have excited him much !
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England bowlers have complained about the timewasting involved in him wandering out to the middle, only to have to wander back to the pavilion a few minutes later.
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Shoeshine wrote:Yep, if it annoys Smiffy, then carry on doing it. Though actually it seemed to me that all the bowlers had to do was carry on running in. Trott seems like one of those players who settles down as the bowler starts his run up, so he would have been ready and was ready when they aborted the run up. In any case, it's not for the bowlers to decide he isn't ready, why not just carry on?
Though of course it's the batsmans job to be ready when the bowler is. Because Sniff made such a sook about it - you can bet the umpires will be watching out for it.
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JKLever wrote:Shoeshine wrote:Yep, if it annoys Smiffy, then carry on doing it. Though actually it seemed to me that all the bowlers had to do was carry on running in. Trott seems like one of those players who settles down as the bowler starts his run up, so he would have been ready and was ready when they aborted the run up. In any case, it's not for the bowlers to decide he isn't ready, why not just carry on?
Though of course it's the batsmans job to be ready when the bowler is. Because Sniff made such a sook about it - you can bet the umpires will be watching out for it.
The way I saw it, it was the bowlers who baled out of their run-ups, rather than Trott pulling away. He just seems to be one of these people who fiddles around and then is ready for the bowler when they're running in. There was no reason for them to stop their run-ups, it's down to them. If he keeps pulling away when they're in their delivery stride, that's a different matter.
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The problem wasn't Trott bailing. It was the fact that he wasn't ready when they turned. And he must have taken at least 3 minutes to get ready at the start of his innings
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