Steyn

Why does he always look so ordinary against England, but a world beater against everyone else?

the boring body language of the english players ?

I have not seen much of Steyn, but isn't he the kind of bowler who relies a bit on swing w/pace.

possibly the English players are used to swing in their cloudy home conditions and counter him with deft pre-emptory footwork.

Also Steyn doesn't perform equally on all surfaces. On flat pitches he is also very ordinary.

buckSH wrote:possibly the English players are used to swing in their cloudy home conditions and counter him with deft pre-emptory footwork.

Clearly you're so clueless you now think the way to play swing bowling is the worst possible way.

It's a FACT that if one gets to the front foot, they negate the swing.

but stand a chance of getting hit on the elbow or elsewhere should they err on the length.

the only way to negate swing is through footwork.

buckSH wrote:It's a FACT that if one gets to the front foot, they negate the swing.

but stand a chance of getting hit on the elbow or elsewhere should they err.

the only way to negate swing is through footwork.

No. Getting straight onto the front foot means that you commit too early and can't adjust when the ball swings. Check out Matthew Hayden's record in England.

Henry wrote:

buckSH wrote:It's a FACT that if one gets to the front foot, they negate the swing.

but stand a chance of getting hit on the elbow or elsewhere should they err.

the only way to negate swing is through footwork.

No. Getting straight onto the front foot means that you commit too early and can't adjust when the ball swings. Check out Matthew Hayden's record in England.

Precisely. You negate swing by making your movements late so you can adjust to the changing line of the ball. Anyone who's ever played the game knows this, but Bucky is apparently too stupid to understand.

Firstly Steyn does well when he has long spells.

hoorah, he just took a wikkit with some late movement.

Henry, I meant late movement, not swing really.

late swing is what I was referring to, and wanted to cal it movement.

I mean if the ball does all the swinging before it pitches, it's really harmless innit ?

Shoeshine wrote:

Henry wrote:

buckSH wrote:It's a FACT that if one gets to the front foot, they negate the swing.

but stand a chance of getting hit on the elbow or elsewhere should they err.

the only way to negate swing is through footwork.

No. Getting straight onto the front foot means that you commit too early and can't adjust when the ball swings. Check out Matthew Hayden's record in England.

Precisely. You negate swing by making your movements late so you can adjust to the changing line of the ball. Anyone who's ever played the game knows this, but Bucky is apparently too stupid to understand.

you're right, I got the terms mixed up.

playing on front foot is the wrong technique, because that's how the Injuns used to play the first match in England before they saw the error of their ways. Esp if they didn't get any practice matches.

buckSH wrote:Firstly Steyn does well when he has long spells.

hoorah, he just took a wikkit with some late movement.

Henry, I meant late movement, not swing really.

late swing is what I was referring to, and wanted to cal it movement.

I mean if the ball does all the swinging before it pitches, it's really harmless innit ?

Not if you plant your front foot it isn't. It's very straightforward, if the ball swings, whether early or late, you move late as a batsman. And you said swing, so you can backtrack all you like, but you still said it. As someone who has to fight very hard to delay my movements against the swinging ball, I know this all too well.

There hasn't been much swing on offer here because of the huge wind which came in from the south coast yesterday. It negated all swing though there was some on day one, especially in the first session. He's also just returning from injury but his record against England is an anomaly, though he troubled Vaughan considerably.

ok, so first you play as late as possible to avoid swing.

and after the ball pitches, come on the front foot to avoid late movement ?

Yep.

Bucks embarrassing himself again. What a South Asian arseclown.

Henry wrote:Why does he always look so ordinary against England, but a world beater against everyone else?

He's scared of Ian Bell is what he is.

Dunno - perhaps he has not been fully fit when playing us. Kallis has a weak bowling record against England too, especially in SA. Odd, with us having so many world beating batters and all....

Overall I think we are their bogey team. They should duff us up regularly, but since SA's readmission it has been roughly even-stevens between the two sides.

Maybe i'm wrong but JP Duminy also has a poor record against England?

Ah to be fair looking it up it's only his 2nd test

Must be ODI's i'm thinking of too.

Steyn was but a pup when he first lined up against England, so you can discount his lack of world-beating-ness there.

When SA toured (was it 08?) he was definitely carrying a knock and only played in two games (taking seven wickets in the win at Headingley).

This game, he's just back from injury.

I wouldn't be too quick in writing the bloke off. He's a very skillful bowler who will cause England plenty of problems if/when he clicks in the next two Tests.