Is Pakistani cricket a lost cause?

Well?

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http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/460463.html

Yes, things are seriously farked up.

The bans seem fair EXCEPT the one on Younis Khan and to some extent M Yousuf and Rana. In Rana's case i am not sure what he was accused of.

So how does this culture within the team get changed? It seems like Umar Akmal and Mohammad Aamer are already caught up in it and taking sides, and they've only just started playing international cricket.

Henry wrote:So how does this culture within the team get changed? It seems like Umar Akmal and Mohammad Aamer are already caught up in it and taking sides, and they've only just started playing international cricket.

it won't change overnight..

Banning of the main culprits is a good step forward but the problem is that some of the current and ex officials* themselves are even bigger idiots than the players.

..and this includes people running the country

Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Ijaz, Mushy, Sohail, Saqlain, Azhar Mahmood.

Eight guys who seem like genuine and decent men who would be good for Pakistani cricket at board and coaching levels, imo. Seems like the older generation still rule, though.

Henry wrote:Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Ijaz, Mushy, Sohail, Saqlain, Azhar Mahmood.

Eight guys who seem like genuine and decent men who would be good for Pakistani cricket at board and coaching levels, imo. Seems like the older generation still rule, though.

Saqlain??? WTF? the guy dissed Pakistan to play for England...

Wasim and Waqar weren't too different from the clowns in the current team so if discipline and infighting is the biggest problem then the 2Ws are anything BUT role models.

Imran is too busy with his political career and in a strange way he is partially responsible for the current mess simply because he was possibly the biggest dictator in the history of Pak cricket.

At the end the entire country is farked up these days so the best way to fix cricket is to fix the country first starting by STOPPING the countless killings of innocent Pakistanis in Northern Pakistan.

It's such a shame about Pakistan because indidually they have some very talented players.

vilkrang wrote:It's such a shame about Pakistan because indidually they have some very talented players.

yeah even now there are some good players

You can easily argue that Aamer is the best young fast bowler in the world while Akmal is the best young batsman in the world but then there is a MASSIVE gulf because some of the other youngsters like Ahmed Shahzad, Wahab Riaz and Talha have severely underachieved so far.

In ODI and T20 Pakistan will continue to "surprise" the world with quality performances here and there but in test cricket they have been awful

Some recent results
1-2 vs SA
0-1 vs SA
0-1 vs IND
0-0 vs SL
0-2 vs SL
1-1 vs NZ
0-3 vs AUS

That is 5 defeats and 2 draws and the worst part is NOT the past but the future because the team currently has no leader plus batting has been a major worry and 2 of the top batsmen have been kicked out.

More importantly there is very little chance of cricket resuming in Pakistan for at least half a dozen years.

the sl series was just one test wasnt it?

You could make a film about this, but no one would believe it.

I still don't get why Younis Khan was banned for life. Rana Naved apparently confessed to deliberately underperforming, according to the article.

If Surrey can snap up Younis over his own nation, then things are really farked.

If Malik and Rana was deliberately undermining the captain and in Rana's case openly admitted to under performing surely they should be gone for good. You can't have that and although they're good they're not that good that they're irreplaceable.

It's interesting to read this old thread. Younis Khan's 'life ban', in force then, is long since forgotten. Henry's surprise as expressed in this thread at the involvement of new boys Umar Akmal and Aamir in shenanigans now looks horribly naive. The absolute leadership vacuum and directionless meandering of these times is also now a thing of the distant past with Misbah's stint commencing not long after this thread was started. Surely we are not heading back to those dark days. Pakistan do continue to be inconsistent ... how they lost the last test match v Sri Lanka is anybody's guess.