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Post by beamer Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:22

PeterCS wrote:It's absolutely necessary that Flower stays on.
Only because of who his likely successor is... if we were to make a positive appointment from outside the current setup, I'd say it was about the right time.

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Post by Gary 111 Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:23

PeterCS wrote:It's absolutely necessary that Flower stays on.
Yeah, I want to see just had negative and unlikeable he can make this England team. The end game of his project - the full transformation to mid 90s Zimbabwe.
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Post by PeterCS Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:24

Don't know about any moral victories, whatever they are, but it was funny to see the Aussies negatively clinging to the regulations at the end! Laughing

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Post by PeterCS Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:25

Gary 111 wrote:
PeterCS wrote:It's absolutely necessary that Flower stays on.
Yeah, I want to see just had negative and unlikeable he can make this England team. The end game of his project - the full transformation to mid 90s Zimbabwe.
Woudl you bloomin' murrrderrrr im?
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Post by Gary 111 Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:25

Another change I would like to see is a reserve day scheduled at the end of each Test.

If we lose an entire session of play the overs should be carried over to a sixth day, at least for Tests in England. The OT and Oval Tests (apart from a tactically inept declaration by Clarke) have been ruined by the rain and there's no reason why you couldn't get a full allocation of overs in.
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Post by Henry Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:27

A thinly veiled swipe at Clarke (and Warne) from Flower- "There's a lot more to captaincy than funky fields."
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Post by Gary 111 Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:28

PeterCS wrote:Don't know about any moral victories, whatever they are, but it was funny to see the Aussies negatively clinging to the regulations at the end! Laughing

Clarke is a whining little pr!ck. If I was the umpire I'd have told his to go *#%! himself.

When Inzy tried to whinge out of bowling his overs the umpires stood firm. Changing the light regulations has produced this farce as you can't trust the umpires to make a sensible decision clearly.
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Post by LeFromage Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:28

Big Dog wrote:
Red wrote:Faulkner thinks fans should get a refund for both the previous two days.Smile 
He's getting some flack for spouting off as a 'novice' at test level but he's just saying what everyone is thinking. It may be his first test but he's still an experienced international cricketer & he obviously knows what crap smells like.
... because it's all over Michael Clarke's lips.
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Post by PeterCS Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:29

Positives for England:

Ian Bell redividus.

Trott looked in good nick at last, instead of bad nicking.

The bouncebackability and hand-up from somebody almost every time.

Woakes being better than expected.


Negatives:

Warwickshire rule.

The meteoric rise of Ashley Giles as Flower's successor, probably tomorrow.
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Post by beamer Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:30

Negatives: negativity?

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Post by Henry Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:31

Woakes showed a bit of ticker and composure at the end there. His batting has a LOT more promise than his bowling. If he's ever going to make it at international level, it would somehow have to be as a top six batsman.

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Post by beamer Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:33

Henry wrote:Woakes showed a bit of ticker and composure at the end there. His batting has a LOT more promise than his bowling. If he's ever going to make it at international level, it would somehow have to be as a top six batsman.

Yeah, and it's always hard to get used to the idea of someone who used to be seen as a specialist bowler to be picked for his batting, but then again KP was primarily a spinner when he came to England...

Woakes has a tough task to prove himself better than the numerous specialists in contention for the number 6 slot, but I suppose being a genuine fourth seamer could help his cause if his batting continues to develop.

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Post by Henry Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:38

beamer wrote:
Henry wrote:Woakes showed a bit of ticker and composure at the end there. His batting has a LOT more promise than his bowling. If he's ever going to make it at international level, it would somehow have to be as a top six batsman.

Yeah, and it's always hard to get used to the idea of someone who used to be seen as a specialist bowler to be picked for his batting, but then again KP was primarily a spinner when he came to England...

Woakes has a tough task to prove himself better than the numerous specialists in contention for the number 6 slot, but I suppose being a genuine fourth seamer could help his cause if his batting continues to develop.
He didn't look a top six batsman in the first innings. But then neither did Bairstow in four tests. Who knows. Has a first class average of 37. For some reason Warwickshire were batting him at eight up until this season (where I think he's been batting seven).

Needs to start batting five for Warwickshire I reckon if he's any chance of being selected for his batting alone.
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Post by Gary 111 Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:39

I think Woakes will be in and around the team for some time to come, good ticker, reasonable player to have in a squad if not maybe the first XI at present - could well develop himself into a Collingwood style player, but with a bit more pace.
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Post by Merlin Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:43

The meteoric rise of Ashley Giles as Flower's successor, probably tomorrow.

Jesus. . . I hope to f**k that never happens.
It would be the end of English cricket if that spineless twat ever took over the reins.

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Post by Merlin Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:48

Gary 111 wrote:
Dello wrote:Meh, England got a taste of their own dick medicine. They finally came out to play and Australia went and Cook'd them right up.

Can't say that I'm arsed. It's a lousy way for the series to end, but it's probably apt: with the umpires getting booed off the field.

I have enjoyed the Aussies' pathetic hypocrisy coming back to drop kick them in the lady balls, though. I thought Boof's pork-choppery about labelling non-walkers as cheats in a series where not a single Australian batsman has walked was going to take the soggy biscuit by a mile, but the day after James Faulkner decided to slate England for playing negative cricket, watching Australia time waste, bowl down the leg side and bitch and whine at the umpires like truculent children, trying to get a game they were losing called off was a pearling lack of self-awareness.

F*ck knows why we have floodlights for Test cricket if you can't actually play under them.
I agree - I don't feel sorry for England. Some of our time wasting this series has been a disgrace, and generally worse than Oz. Stuart Broad's boot for example was pathetic.

I just feel sorry for the game of cricket. I was watching the match in a packed pub full of people, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them can't be bothered tuning in next time. Watch the football instead, you know there'll be a proper finish.[/quote]


Gazza, stop feeling sorry for the game of cricket . . . the game is sound . . . it's solid . . . even after the debacle of the umpires calling it off with 4 overs to go this evening .  Listen to the crowd . . . their chants and cheering are a dead give-away . . . the game is in safe keeping.

As for your comment about the footie having a proper finish . . . hmmmmmm . . . is anything proper about footie?!
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PS - Agree with Dello's sentiments . . . wtf have floodlights?


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Post by LeFromage Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:48

Merlin wrote:The meteoric rise of Ashley Giles as Flower's successor, probably tomorrow.

Jesus. . .  I hope to f**k that never happens.
It would be the end of English cricket if that spineless twat ever took over the reins.
Whoa now. I thought you were playing silly buggers, but this is apparently a rumour gathering traction.

Andy Flower is standing down to be replaced by... don't make me say it. I'm not going to say it. Maybe it won't happen if I don't say it...
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Post by beamer Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:50

We know it's going to happen. He's Steve McClaren to Flower's Sven... the home grown chosen one, it will all fall apart very quickly and then we will rightly look abroad again.

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Post by Merlin Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:50

@ Dello - Blame Petey S on page 72!
It was 'im, Guv who kicked off the rumour!

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Post by Batman Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:51

I wanted to post and say the ashes result is 3:2:1 as in England3: Rains2: DRS1.

The whole Mynah news just took the shin off the fun I planned to have on the just concluded Ashes result.Sad
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Post by JGK Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:57

haven't rad the last few pages but WTF didn't England send prior or broad or Swann in when KP got out?

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Post by beamer Sun 25 Aug 2013, 20:59

Well, we still only needed just above 6 an over. The frontline batsmen are more than capable of doing that. I don't suppose they really considered losing the last few overs to the light. If we had slogged and lost two or three more then it would have been nervous hanging on territory.

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Post by LeFromage Sun 25 Aug 2013, 21:02

JGK wrote:haven't rad the last few pages but WTF didn't England send prior or broad or Swann in when KP got out?
Given what good touch Swann looked to be in during the morning session, I did wonder if he might've been given a pinch hitting role - what was there to lose?

But England played it pretty vanilla. That's their thing.
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Post by Paul Keating Sun 25 Aug 2013, 21:08

Has any journo asked Faulkner on his views yet?

What a farkwit.
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Post by skully Sun 25 Aug 2013, 21:20

 Whoa, nearly a result??? A couple of sporting declarations I see. The speed of the scoring on day 5 was interesting. columbo
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