So if no charges are laid against the Pakistanis.....

......accused of match fixing, will nations simply refuse to play them?

Countries will observe their obligations under the FTP.

Except for the countries that have decided the FTP isn't worth following when easy t20 money is on offer.

Henry wrote:......accused of match fixing, will nations simply refuse to play them?

who knows HOW EVER no charges were laid against Warne and Waugh YET countries didn't stop playing AUS.

AUS's approach to the match fixing issue in the 1990s was the worst among all cricketing countries.

PlanetPakistan wrote:

Henry wrote:......accused of match fixing, will nations simply refuse to play them?

who knows HOW EVER no charges were laid against Warne and Waugh YET countries didn't stop playing AUS.

They were charged and fined ...The feeling of CA (or the ACB) at the time was it was better to keep the matter private or secret ...they were correct until it was no longer a secret

And of course, there's nothing resembling proof that MEW and SKW actually fixed matches, or individual deliveries. They were punished for giving some info to a bookie, not doing anything on a pitch, like, say, deliberately bowling no-balls at scheduled times, or throwing matches...

Zat wrote:And of course, there's nothing resembling proof that MEW and SKW actually fixed matches, or individual deliveries. They were punished for giving some info to a bookie, not doing anything on a pitch, like, say, deliberately bowling no-balls at scheduled times, or throwing matches...

I'm surprised they wern't fined more for stupidity at least.

Zat and embee,

Bottom line is that they admitted of recieving money from the bookies YET they were NOT banned even for a SINGLE match. There is no way any sane cricket fan can justify the actions of CA.

Sorry PP, but that's *sh!t*.

PP,

Surely there has to be a difference in how the boards respond to this issue pre-2000 and now in 2010.

After such a big crisis in 2000, big committees, long investigations, players getting banned/suspended, ACSU being set up, players educated on match-fixing, if players still get involved in it they definitely deserve much harsher punishment to the similar transgressions 10 years back (when there was some merit in the argument of players being unaware/stupid).

Well it sounds unlikley they'll face criminal charges anywwhere such are the legal technicalities but will the ICC find them guilty and punish them accordingly? Well I suspect legal machinations might spare them serious punishment. Unfortunately, barring some stunning evidence of Indian secret service involvement, they're already guilty as charged in the eyes of most people (I know innocent 'til proven guilty is a sacred concept but perception is everything). We've seen the video and we've seen the timing of the no-balls and it utterly defies any innocent explanation (although I'm open to theories...). For cricket's sake they have to be found guilty and punished...any other result will be hugely unsatisfactory. Life bans for Butt & Asif and something less for Amir has just got to happen.

If they get off...Pakistan will still exist on the fringes of the game and in the major tournaments but no more visits to England, Australia or India for a good few years I'd think.

Oh and Waugh and Warne should face retrospective bans.

My maths isn't what it used to be, but I believe I've calculated that the odds of it simply being a coincidence for all 3 balls is roughly around 2.4 billion to one.

I think it's fair to say that the cheating (fixing) in Pakistan cricket is in a whole different league of seriousness than anything Warne or Waugh did. No one really thinks Aus ever fix anything on the pitch, and neither do England as far as we can tell. The PCB knows this, but when cornered they sling a bit of mud to try to make their own situation seem better. I seem to remember someone trying to suggest Alec Stewart was up to something a few years ago, after one of the previous Pakistan fixing scandals. No evidence of course; just a pack of lies,but someone from Pakistan still used the story to try to demonstate that they were no worse than other cricketing nations.
I feel very sorry for all the honest people jn Pakistani cricket. Must be a horrible time.

ever hopeful wrote: I feel very sorry for all the honest people jn Pakistani cricket. Must be a horrible time.

It must be rough for both of them.

How very predictable.

I aim to please.

Then I'm afraid your falling some way short of your annual targets.



(Does everyone get that phrase at work, or just me?)

clinet-focused benchmarks are the new paradigm

may I recommend '*sh!t* bingo' as a great way to spend THOSE meetings?

Zat wrote:And of course, there's nothing resembling proof that MEW and SKW actually fixed matches, or individual deliveries. They were punished for giving some info to a bookie, not doing anything on a pitch, like, say, deliberately bowling no-balls at scheduled times, or throwing matches...

So why the secrecy?

Because you're not supposed to give some info to a bookie.

Zat wrote:And of course, there's nothing resembling proof that MEW and SKW actually fixed matches, or individual deliveries. They were punished for giving some info to a bookie, not doing anything on a pitch, like, say, deliberately bowling no-balls at scheduled times, or throwing matches...

Marlon Samuels was banned for 2 years for doing precisely that, even though it was proven the bookie had become a friend of the Samuels family and well and truly duped them all. Two years was the ICC's minimum ban for recieving payment from a bookie, deliberate or not.

Of course it could be argued that banning him was a service to West Indies cricket because he is such an idiot but that still doesn't make it right.

Zat wrote:Sorry PP, but that's *sh!t*.

its the truth mi amigo

philcric wrote:PP,

Surely there has to be a difference in how the boards respond to this issue pre-2000 and now in 2010.

After such a big crisis in 2000, big committees, long investigations, players getting banned/suspended, ACSU being set up, players educated on match-fixing, if players still get involved in it they definitely deserve much harsher punishment to the similar transgressions 10 years back (when there was some merit in the argument of players being unaware/stupid).

Tell that Saleem Malik, Azhar etc who were banned for life.

... they absolutely deserved it, the utter cheats. They should have been shot.

lardbucket wrote:... they absolutely deserved it, the utter cheats. They should have been shot.

malik and Azhar or Waugh and Warne?

Malik and Azharuddin, obviously. They cheated.

I know you still regard Shoaib Akhtar as a good bowler, but you must have some insight into the game.