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Post by Henry Mon 27 Jun 2011, 17:00

Likely England-

Cook(c)
Kieswetter+
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Patel
Bresnan
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Anderson

Perhaps.
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Post by Henry Mon 27 Jun 2011, 17:02

The three powerplay kings building up their strength. Or doing tandem water skiing. Hard to tell, really-

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Post by LeFromage Mon 27 Jun 2011, 17:09

Henry wrote:Likely England-

Cook(c)
Kieswetter+
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Patel
Bresnan
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Anderson

Perhaps.

They're not going to leave out Ian Bell again, are they? He's in the form of his life. There'll be a lynching. An uprising. A riot. Possibly terrorist atrocities.

Woakes'll be f*cked off. And rightly so.

Cook
Kieswetter+
Trott
Pietersen
Belfohl™
Morgan
Patel
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Dirtbag

That's five bowlers and some fill-in filth from Trott and Pietersen.
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Post by JKLever Mon 27 Jun 2011, 17:27

You're leaving out the inform ChaviBop?
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Post by Brass Monkey Mon 27 Jun 2011, 18:12

Dello wrote:They're not going to leave out Ian Bell again, are they? He's in the form of his life. There'll be a lynching. An uprising. A riot. Possibly terrorist atrocities.

Woakes'll be f*cked off. And rightly so.

Cook
Kieswetter+
Trott
Pietersen
Belfohl™
Morgan
Patel
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Dirtbag

That's five bowlers and some fill-in filth from Trott and Pietersen.

That's exactly what I was going to say, they'll never, ever, ever leave the 28-averaging Belfohl™ out. Insanity. Looks like this'll be the team. We'll be kneeling in prayer in front of our TV screens that wickets one and two will be Cook and Trott. I can imagine some frustrating times if the CT&B Bored Of Control have long innings.
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Post by Gary 111 Mon 27 Jun 2011, 19:24

Brass Monkey wrote:
Dello wrote:They're not going to leave out Ian Bell again, are they? He's in the form of his life. There'll be a lynching. An uprising. A riot. Possibly terrorist atrocities.

Woakes'll be f*cked off. And rightly so.

Cook
Kieswetter+
Trott
Pietersen
Belfohl™
Morgan
Patel
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Dirtbag

That's five bowlers and some fill-in filth from Trott and Pietersen.

That's exactly what I was going to say, they'll never, ever, ever leave the 28-averaging Belfohl™ out. Insanity. Looks like this'll be the team. We'll be kneeling in prayer in front of our TV screens that wickets one and two will be Cook and Trott. I can imagine some frustrating times if the CT&B Bored Of Control have long innings.

Forgive the optimism on a thread filled with pessimism but that's actually a good team isn't it?

The middle order - Trott, Pietersen, Morgan - classy looking. Kieswetter has a similar List A record to KP so I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with a very successful ODI career. Cook & Bell don't have as flattering stats, but Bell inparticular, although Cook too, have been strong in domestic OD cricket and we know how much they've improved recently in Tests - a knock-on boost may be about to happen in ODI's. They can do it, I remember them both smashing India all round the Rose Bowl a couple of years back. Batting has depth too - Patel at 7 and Broad and Swann (though Swann should bat ahead of Broad in ODI's)

The bowling is more of a concern, can Fat Sam perform as a front line bowler? Anderson has quite rightly focused more on Tests, but he still can spark into life now and again. Swann always has wickets in him and all of those bowlers except maybe Patel are fine fielders too, which is rare.

I reckon they might win this series - Sri Lanka have 3 or 4 stars, but not sure they have the same strength in depth if their top guns don't fire.
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Post by Gary 111 Mon 27 Jun 2011, 19:25

Plus we're much stronger after the World Cup with Luke Wright and Michael Yardy nowhere near the squad, and Prior too, he has a very average domestic OD career.
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Post by LeFromage Mon 27 Jun 2011, 19:34

The team (if that is the team) has the same deficiencies that plagued it during the World Cup - too much stodge up front during the power plays, and the rest of the batting line up relying entirely on Pietersen and Morgan as no-one else has a clue how to get spinners away.

Then there's the bowling, which has nothing going for it at all on a flat deck. No wicket threat at all, with the new ball, old ball, changed ball, pink ball, orange ball, bonus ball - nadda. So the tactics will be contain, contain, contain, cross your fingers, hope for the best, we might just get away with this one, lads. Which is a completely hopeless approach once any decent batsmen get themselves in.

Optimism schmoptimism.
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Post by beamer Mon 27 Jun 2011, 19:36

Well, Puke's still near enough to get a T20 call-up. Hopefully his performance there means he's no longer first reserve for 50 overs.

I don't think there's a consistent reliable seamer in there, and we've only ever had one of those at a time really. Late career Gough and late career Freddie are the only ones I can think of in the last decade. There isn't even anyone who can blow away the top order even if they go for runs, they're all just a bit mediocre. Bresnan's call-up shows the cupboard really is bare, there's lots of batting prospects being talked up on the county thread but very few pace bowlers of note.

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Post by LeFromage Mon 27 Jun 2011, 19:44

beamer wrote:Well, Puke's still near enough to get a T20 call-up. Hopefully his performance there means he's no longer first reserve for 50 overs.

I don't think there's a consistent reliable seamer in there, and we've only ever had one of those at a time really. Late career Gough and late career Freddie are the only ones I can think of in the last decade. There isn't even anyone who can blow away the top order even if they go for runs, they're all just a bit mediocre. Bresnan's call-up shows the cupboard really is bare, there's lots of batting prospects being talked up on the county thread but very few pace bowlers of note.

Yeah, the cupboard's a bit bare. Although I take issue with the non-selection of Shahzad. He might be in rubbish form, but the selection of many of the other guys in the squad would suggest form or lack of it counts for nothing. He's got some pace, some fight, bowls to take wickets, and can occasionally get some wicked action on the ball, suggesting that, one of these days, he could skittle a side.

It defies logic that dobbers like Woakes can get a gig while Shahz is frozen out. The way he bowled in Australia you would've thought he'd be one of the first names picked for a side in transition, planning for four years' time.
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Post by Brass Monkey Mon 27 Jun 2011, 19:47

One man's pessimism is another man's realism. We have a possible opening bowling partnership that both average over 35 for a significant period of time. Three batsmen at the top that will no doubt strike in the 70's, going on their entire careers so far. I'm not sure our 5th bowler is a proper bowler. Swann isn't as good a bowler when the others underperform, if he's the sole performer he's more liable to get tonked. So we're relying on him getting help from Broad to stop bowling short for us to have any modicum of control. Yes, I know, Ian Bell (average 28, S/R 75 this year) is in the form of his life™. I'm not being unfair and I'm sorry it's negative, but tried and tested underperformers are exactly that. I'm willing to give Cook a go, because he's hardly had one but would he have gotten even near the team had it not been for his Ashes Test tour?
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Post by Gary 111 Mon 27 Jun 2011, 19:56

Dello wrote:The team (if that is the team) has the same deficiencies that plagued it during the World Cup - too much stodge up front during the power plays, and the rest of the batting line up relying entirely on Pietersen and Morgan as no-one else has a clue how to get spinners away.

Then there's the bowling, which has nothing going for it at all on a flat deck. No wicket threat at all, with the new ball, old ball, changed ball, pink ball, orange ball, bonus ball - nadda. So the tactics will be contain, contain, contain, cross your fingers, hope for the best, we might just get away with this one, lads. Which is a completely hopeless approach once any decent batsmen get themselves in.

Optimism schmoptimism.

I think there's less stodge, as we've swapped Prior S/R in 70s for Kieswetter, S/R 85+ from his first 12 ODI's and a List A S/R of over 90 so it's liable to get even better. Ian Trott's strike rate is just a shade under 80, so he's not exactly Nasser Hussain, he was one of the best batsmen in the World Cup.

As we've said the bowling is a little weak, but Jimmy is surely a threat with the new ball? Plus we've got a top quality spinner and Dernbach will hopefully show us his skill in the later overs.

Wouldn't necessarily swap our bowlers for Sri Lanka's, especially if they leave Mendis out - Malinga yes, but Randiv, Kulasekera, Gashmal, Perera? no thanks.
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Post by Chivalry Augustus Mon 27 Jun 2011, 22:03

Team will be:

Cook
Knobwetter
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Bell
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Dernbach

All the favourites, basically. They'll get battered. 3-0/5-0/7-0* if the weather holds.

* - I've no idea how many games this series is.
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Post by JKLever Mon 27 Jun 2011, 22:23

Didn't we beat the Lankans 3-2 last time? Anyone recall what the bowling attack was... I know Swanny was playing.
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Post by Gary 111 Mon 27 Jun 2011, 22:37

JKLever wrote:Didn't we beat the Lankans 3-2 last time? Anyone recall what the bowling attack was... I know Swanny was playing.

Aye, 3-2 win in Sri Lanka, the team was:

Cook
Mustard+
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood*
Shah
Bopara
Swann
Broad
Sidebottom
Anderson.

Despite winning the series the highest batting average for us was Cook with 31. We only made 3 fifties in 5 games. The bowling attack was led by Sidebottom with 12 wickets at 13.83 and Stuart Broad with 11 at 19.27.

Sri Lanka only made 5 fifties themselves in a low scoring series - Chamara Silva with 2 of them, Sangakkara averaged 30, Jayawardene just 18. Bowling wise Malinga was expensive, 6 wickets at 32.00 and just under 5 an over while Maharoof - 10 wickets at 9.50 and Fernando 12 wickets at 13.66 had fun.
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Post by LeFromage Mon 27 Jun 2011, 23:23

IIRC it was a turgid, attritional series played on horribly slow wickets. England won, but cricket was the loser.
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Post by Gary 111 Mon 27 Jun 2011, 23:37

The series before in England was played on hard, fast bouncy wickets. England's bowlers didn't come out of it with much credit..... (unless you're Vikram Solanki, who also averaged 54 with the bat!)

Solanki, 1 wkt @ 26.00, 5.77 Econ
Bell, 1 wkt @ 30, 7.50 Econ
Harmison, 8 wkts @ 35.75, 5.72 Econ
Collingwood, 2 wkts @ 46.00, 4.38 Econ
Dalrymple, 4 wkts @ 51.25, 4.65 Econ
Mahmood, 3 wkts @ 57.67, 8.23 Econ
Plunkett, 3 wkts @ 80.67, 7.04 Econ
Bresnan, 2 wkts @ 84.50, 6.76 Econ
Loudon, 0/36, 6.00 Econ
Pietersen, 0/26, 6.50 Econ
Kabir Ali, 0/149, 9.31 Econ

For the Lankans Jayawardene averaged 110 with the bat (S/R 102), Tharanga 69 (S/R84), Jayasuriya 64 (S/R 111), Maharoof 58 (S/R 116) and Sangakkara 51 (S/R 91). Apart from that they were fairly ordinary.
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Post by LeFromage Tue 28 Jun 2011, 00:05

That was a horror show. The T20 the other day was reminiscent of that "contest".

I fear the worst...
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Post by DJ_Smerk Tue 28 Jun 2011, 00:25

At Leeds, July 1. Sri Lanka won by eight wickets. Toss: England.

Sri Lanka completed a 5-0 whitewash, England's worst head-to-head series defeat, which left them above only Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Kenya in the ICC rankings. In an assault of unparalleled ferocity, Tharanga and Jayasuriya piled up 286 in 32 overs, a record opening stand in one-day internationals and the third-highest for any wicket; Sri Lanka overtook a seemingly imposing 321 with an almost ludicrous 75 balls to spare. In his 362nd one-day international, equalling the record of Sachin Tendulkar and Inzamam-ul-Haq, Jayasuriya plundered 152 in 99 balls, with four sixes and 20 fours. But England's 15th defeat in 19 one-day games could not be put down to a single brilliant innings. Tharanga, the sorcerer's apprentice, scored 109 in 102 balls, his now familiar cover-drives joining Jayasuriya's trademark upper-cuts and leg-side flicks. In their first three overs, England had scored one run, after Vaas began with two bewitching maidens of late swing off a good length, a feat almost unheard of in the modern one-day game; at the same stage, Jayasuriya and Tharanga had 46. Fred Trueman had died earlier in the day, his passing touchingly marked by his home crowd with both a minute's silence and another minute's applause, and it was tempting to cite his catchphrase, "I don't know what's going off out there." But Trueman would have known all too well, and said so. Strauss surprisingly delayed Harmison's entry until ten wicketless overs went for 97, beating Derek Pringle for England's most expensive one-day spell. The peculiar cruelty was that England's best batting of the series gave Sri Lanka little option but to chase at breathtaking speed. Trescothick completed England's first one-day hundred against Test opposition since his own century here against Australia 12 months earlier, though Malinga bowled impressively at the end and claimed four wickets. The early finish allowed the crowd to watch the climax of the England football team's World Cup quarter-final against Portugal on the big screen: England lost that too, on penalties.

Man of the Match: S. T. Jayasuriya.

Man of the Series: S. T. Jayasuriya.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Tue 28 Jun 2011, 00:27

Tharanga won't be reliving this moment of ecstacy any time soon.

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Post by DJ_Smerk Tue 28 Jun 2011, 00:33

Was this Tharanga's acid test? Quite a speedy innings for the big man. Cracking strike rate too. Sanath was the hero, while he was definitely the heroine of the moment.


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Post by Gary 111 Tue 28 Jun 2011, 00:35

DJ_Smerk wrote:


Sri Lanka completed a 5-0 whitewash............... England's worst head-to-head series defeat, which left them above only Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and Kenya in the ICC rankings.................. In an assault of unparalleled ferocity, Tharanga and Jayasuriya piled up 286 in 32 overs, a record opening stand in one-day internationals and the third-highest for any wicket Sri Lanka overtook a seemingly imposing 321 with an almost ludicrous 75 balls to spare............England's 15th defeat in 19 one-day games................ Fred Trueman had died earlier in the day............................. The early finish allowed the crowd to watch the climax of the England football team's World Cup quarter-final against Portugal on the big screen: England lost that too, on penalties.

I remember that day well - it was my lasy day of University, feeling very depressed as I packed away all my things, left my student house for the last time and said goodbye to all my friends that morning. Ah well, I thought, at least there's lots of sport today to keep me entertained..... Worst day ever.

Surprised I lasted the day without joining Fred.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Tue 28 Jun 2011, 00:37

A meth-odical innings which gave him the ultimate high. He certainly found a rich vein of form. His trip to England was worth it.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Tue 28 Jun 2011, 00:40

An advert next to Tharanga's profile picture said Find the Best Gear in Cricket.


Someone at crackinfo has a sense of humour.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 28 Jun 2011, 09:55

Ahhh, remember when a few of us were ABSOLUTE TWAT enough to think Jamie Dalrymple was even worth taking a squad photo of, let alone be in the team? Weren't some of us wankerish? I personally knew he'd foc it and foc it big.
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