India Pakistan

Not discussed yet AFAIK
It's being played in December. Shame about no tests in the tour. Baffling that it's scheduled during the England tour. 3 ODIs and 2 Twenty20s

Gavaskar has criticised the board for resuming ties citing political reasons and a lack of rest for players during a series, while others have praised the move.

Gavaskar should STFU. What business does he have getting involved in politics?

Logically, it'd be better for a cricketer to not talk about it, but it is Gavaskar. Kirti Azad, now a MP also criticised the move, but at least he's in parliament and is far more involved than Azhar.

Some reactions here
http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/item/193639-india-pakistan-cricket-too-early-or-just-in-time

gavaskar has not cited political reasons. he has said nothing has changed since the bombay attacks (the reason ties were suspended) and we have not received any help from pakistan in that regard. as a bombayite he finds it hard to understand why we are resuming these matches

i kind of agree with him. besides the scheduling is ridiculous. after the england tests and t20s and before the odi series vs england and the test series vs aus

Hopefully this doesn't put the blinkers on for the England tests, that's another worry now

Good stuff from BCCI and PCB, congrats to both sides!

Sunny bhai is a brilliant man and currently he is the 2nd most respected cricketer in Asia after Imran Khan so his word can't be dismissed very easily. I do hope that he changes his opinion and isn't going primarily by what he sees on the Indian media(by far the worst in the world).

2nd most respected blahdy blah in blahsia? Have you got stats and opinion polls?

well its mainly my opinion

Gavaskar is an English-hating, chip on his shoulder carrying, false premise creating, BCCI cheer leading c*nt who just happened to be a great opening batsman.

So yes, it doesn't surprise me that he is "the second most respected cricketer in Asia after Imran Khan."

But frankly, his word CAN be dismissed easily, and usually is by anyone in the cricketing world west of Mumbai, as evidenced by the fact that he can't get any commentary work anymore outside of Indian networks.

phurt. he's not english hating. he's just hating

but he's right in this case

Confession from Jundal nails Pakistan Army and Hafiz Saeed! - LINK!

ISI and Pak Govt tried hardest to prevent this guy's extradition from Saudi. Now that he has started singing of how Pak's army and ISI with Hafiz Saeed were behind 26/11 attacks, we have started games cricket instead of confronting Pak on this and as usual Pak will dismiss the evidence as 'allegations and not solid enough to act upon'. I hope Congress is buried forever in Indian history for this magnanimity that stabs our very souls and pride.

Henry wrote:Gavaskar is an English-hating, chip on his shoulder carrying, false premise creating, BCCI cheer leading c*nt who just happened to be a great opening batsman.

So yes, it doesn't surprise me that he is "the second most respected cricketer in Asia after Imran Khan."

But frankly, his word CAN be dismissed easily, and usually is by anyone in the cricketing world west OR EAST of Mumbai, as evidenced by the fact that he can't get any commentary work anymore outside of Indian networks.

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lardbucket wrote:

Henry wrote:Gavaskar is an English-hating, chip on his shoulder carrying, false premise creating, BCCI cheer leading c*nt who just happened to be a great opening batsman.

So yes, it doesn't surprise me that he is "the second most respected cricketer in Asia after Imran Khan."

But frankly, his word CAN be dismissed easily, and usually is by anyone in the cricketing world west OR EAST of Mumbai, as evidenced by the fact that he can't get any commentary work anymore outside of Indian networks.

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Can I add South?

Maldives?

To summarise: everyone holds that whinging whining chip-shouldered 'taking my bat and ball and going home' qunt Sunny in utter contempt except Sunny, his Mum, and PP.

The insanity of resuming cricket ties with Pakistan! - LINK!

Perfectly sums up my views, especially on giving visas to their so called 'cricket fans'.....

Albert Einstein is said to have defined insanity as doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results! He possibly had Indian policy towards Pakistan in mind! What else can explain the bizarre decision to resume cricketing ties with Pakistan, broken after the 26/11 Mumbai attacks. Not one benchmark set by India on this issue has been achieved. In some sense the situation is even worse as confessions by terrorist Abu Jundal have revealed that many jihadis carried out reconnaissance of the likely targets when they came to India under the garb of cricket spectators!

Time and again the peace lobby in India and Pakistan press for lifting the travel curbs and easing the visa regime etc. Some ingenious arguments were also advanced that the Mumbai attackers did not come with a visa! The funniest part is that virtually ALL countries (including even Saudi Arabia) are chary in issuing visas to Pakistani citizens, India that has been victim of cross border terror attacks is thinking of easing visa and travel curbs! It is difficult to find more irrational and bizarre behaviour in the international arena.

India has been trying cricket diplomacy since the 1980s. In one memorable occasion, the Chennai crowd even cheered a Pakistani Test victory. But unfortunately, every such attempt has generally been followed by a terrorist attack to get the Indo-Pakistan relations back to square one!

There is no doubt that there exists a small but sincere lobby of civic activists in Pakistan who genuinely desire peace and good relations with India. But sadly that lobby is too tiny and has no influence either over the government or even the civil society.

Terrorism emanating from Pakistan is the 'symptom' of a disease, the root lies deeper in the social fabric of that unfortunate country. Contrary to the naive assertion of the Indian media, there are no terror masterminds. Terrorism inspired, planned, supported and sometimes even executed by Pakistan has roots in the ideology, demography and educational system of Pakistan. The mere arrest of one Hafiz Sayeed or Zaki ur Rehman Lakhavi or Jundal is going to make no difference.

Pakistan was demanded and created (of course with fatherly love of British MI-5) as 'homeland' for the subcontinent's Muslims. Pakistan sincerely believes in this and therefore interference into internal affairs of India is inherent. Questioning Pakistani ideology, incidentally, is a punishable offence. As an offshoot of this, Pakistan since 1979 has created an educational system to brainwash young kids into hating India and Hindus. These schools function as jihadi factories 24x7 and 365 days of the year.

This author after studying Pak textbooks had raised this issue in 1988. In December 1988 under Rajiv Gandhi-Benazir Bhutto declaration these biases and offending parts were to be removed from school curriculum. Another attempt has been made since 2006, when the Americans also woke up to this menace. But to date, the required revision has not been done. With ever younger men and women joining the ranks of the jihadis, there is no hope of terrorism from Pakistani sources coming to an end, cricket ties or no cricket ties.

Contrary to the hallucinations of the 'peace lobby' and some mentally-retarded ex-diplomats, Pakistan does not accept any historical linkage with India other than the legacy of Mughals who ruled north India for 200 years. Pakistanis assert that they have no common ancestry, culture or history to share with India. To this end they have repudiated their own Hindu and Buddhist past by erasing all symbols of past association.

With this as foundation, is it possible to build any peace? Pakistan sees itself as the 'defender of Islam' in the Indian subcontinent. Ever since it became the only Islamic state possessing nuclear weapons, Pakistan has now taken on the role of 'global defender of the faith'. Is it any wonder that the world accepts it to be the epicentre of Islamist terror and virtually every single terrorist incident has a Pakistani connection from Chechnya to Xinjiang!

I may sound a touch naive, but whenever sport is used as a diplomatic softener, the parties involved should be applauded. If a few rogues with guns can halt progress between two nations who have had their differences over the years, then the terrorists have won.

Henry wrote:I may sound a touch naive, but whenever sport is used as a diplomatic softener, the parties involved should be applauded. If a few rogues with guns can halt progress between two nations who have had their differences over the years, then the terrorists have won.

The terrorists and mullahs run the Govt here so there is no point. If Pak Govt is so spineless to lie about and protect these bastards and are going to go out of their way to hide and shield them [Bin Laden, Dawood, Hafeez etc.], then they deserve nothing less. What is the purpose of any such foolish bravado of resuming ties when Pak refuses to co-operate even at the barest of measures on Mumbai attacks and denies all evidence that USA and India have publishes despite arrests of their key terrorists and their handlers? If it likes to play a nation under denial and seige so much then to hell with them. No sporting ties are going to achieve anything different than in 1999 or 2008 and so on. It's a suicidal game of self delusions and hopeless hope. Suicidal for us and just another blood game for them.

At least it would give the Jamodis more meaning and passion.

England v Germany, England v Argentina, Poland v Germany...........They all have extra added spice because of political history. And the spectacle of the sport is the better for it.

Henry wrote:At least it would give the Jamodis more meaning and passion.

So our arsehole politicians have taken complete l;eave of sense yet again and have relegated the horrors of Mumbai carnage to JATA [Just Another Terrorist Attack]. Business as usual.....No other nation as spineless, prideless and shameless exists on this earth than India surely.

This analyst has been grappling with the issue of trying to understand what makes some Indians behave so irrationally when it comes to Pakistan! The answer seems that a large part of our society is victim of the Stockholm Syndrome and the more Pakistan torments us, more we pine for peace and contacts with that failed country. Bangladesh, once part of Pakistan, on the other hand has been making overtures for peace and friendship for last several years. Neither our diplomats nor politicians have any time for them!

Could we learn from what Americans think? The Washington Post commenting editorially on July 17 says that the problem with Pakistan is not drone attacks or harbouring of Osama bin Laden but, and I quote, 'the political dysfunction of Pakistan, a country divided between a feuding, corrupt and insular civilian political elite and a military establishment dependent on terrorist allies and obsessed with unacceptable and unattainable geopolitical ambitions.'

The Post continues to conclude that 'with the military, which appears locked into backing a militant Taliban faction as its proxy in Afghanistan and is equally relentless in its attempt to challenge India through the use of terrorist proxies. Until Pakistan develops a democratic civilian government capable of purging that belligerence, the United States will have to settle for a pragmatic combination of buying off Pakistan when it is possible -- and containing it when it is not.'

Does India think that it can 'buy off' Pak military/jihadis through cricket?

Just as our inane news channels have been 'celebrating' the restoration of cricketing ties comes the news that an anti-terrorism court in Pakistan trying the 26/11 case has rejected the report of Pakistan inquiry commission on the grounds that India did not permit them to cross examine Ajaml Kasab! With the case falling through, in a matter of days the few terrorists in detention in Pakistan are also likely to be released! Pakistan will as usual claim judicial independence.

Henry wrote:At least it would give the Jamodis more meaning and passion.

England v Germany, England v Argentina, Poland v Germany...........They all have extra added spice because of political history. And the spectacle of the sport is the better for it.

thats the key. history. pakistan is currently attacking india. there has been no change since 2008

doubt there were too many football friendlies between the germans and the english between 1939-1945

The One wrote:

Henry wrote:At least it would give the Jamodis more meaning and passion.

England v Germany, England v Argentina, Poland v Germany...........They all have extra added spice because of political history. And the spectacle of the sport is the better for it.

thats the key. history. pakistan is currently attacking india. there has been no change since 2008

doubt there were too many football friendlies between the germans and the english between 1939-1945

Yeah, we can talk 'history' after we see 25 years at least without Pak inspired violence and terrorism. Till then it must be treated as a nation at war. Nothing less, nothing more. Israel does not talk to Hamas nor does Russia talk with Chechens. They don't waste time on meaningless diplomacy and sport where terrorists and their nations are concerned. The fact is no one can stay in power in Pak without holding India as a bogeyman. It all goes back to how they messed their people's minds and society's leanings all these decades towards radicalization by setting up the India/Hindu bogey. I have had it up to my neck with duplitious, lying, hypocritical and backstabbing Pak.

The One wrote:

Henry wrote:At least it would give the Jamodis more meaning and passion.

England v Germany, England v Argentina, Poland v Germany...........They all have extra added spice because of political history. And the spectacle of the sport is the better for it.

thats the key. history. pakistan is currently attacking india. there has been no change since 2008

doubt there were too many football friendlies between the germans and the english between 1939-1945

No, but British and German troops on the front line in World War I did play a football game on Christmas day, sharing drinks, photos of family, and stories, then went back to their trenches that evening, and continued firing at each other the next day.

It's probably the most famous case of 'what happens on the field, stays on the field' ever.

so no official tours then? indian and pakistani soldiers meet for chai and biskoot as well

And the Indian and Pakistani cricketers seem to get on fine. Why halt sport because the governments of the two countries don't like each other?

Just leave them out of it and separate the sport from the politics.