The'crisis' in Oz cricket is

...an over reaction

In my 40 years of watching Oz play test cricket we have never played the moving ball well ....we were just lucky enough that between 1986 and 2004 English bowlers never moved the ball

they've become India by losing 2 tests in 5 days... so BanIndia is finally a sound option. But I'm going with climate change.

The two Mitch's would bounce our faces off.

I'd really like to think that this whole 5-0 business is a thing of the past but twice in 3 away series definitely indicates a worrying pattern.

Bolls. Bobby Dazzler and the Caddy moved the ball

vilkrang wrote:The two Mitch's would bounce our faces off.

I'd really like to think that this whole 5-0 business is a thing of the past but twice in 3 away series definitely indicates a worrying pattern.

What is even more bizarre is that these were Aus only two wins in the last 7

5 - 0 in Aus won't ever happen again, not unless complacency creeps in to the England team's ethos again.

Heaps of complacency was they key to England's train-wreck last series Down Under.
They'd won 3 - 1 in England previously and were so up their own arses, and, as a
consequence, they forgot to take Aus (on home turf) seriously.

Rhino was a huge loss to Aus in this series.
He of all the Aussie quicks, would've bent the ball awkwardly.

Brass Monkey wrote:Bolls. Bobby Dazzler and the Caddy moved the ball

Aye, I think Steve Waugh was a massive factor for Aus in the 90s. He had quite an un-Australian technique- He tended to go back before going forward, and he didn't push hard at the ball. Dug Aus out of many a 30-3 situation.

Oh, and you had a couple of guys called McGrath and Warne who tended to knock us over.

Merlin wrote:5 - 0 in Aus won't ever happen again, not unless complacency creeps in to the England team's ethos again.

Heaps of complacency was they key to England's train-wreck last series Down Under.
They'd won 3 - 1 in England previously and were so up their own arses, and, as a
consequence, they forgot to take Aus (on home turf) seriously.

Rhino was a huge loss to Aus in this series.
He of all the Aussie quicks, would've bent the ball awkwardly.

Did they now?

Merlin wrote:5 - 0 in Aus won't ever happen again, not unless complacency creeps in to the England team's ethos again.

Heaps of complacency was they key to England's train-wreck last series Down Under.
They'd won 3 - 1 in England previously and were so up their own arses, and, as a
consequence, they forgot to take Aus (on home turf) seriously.

Rhino was a huge loss to Aus in this series.
He of all the Aussie quicks, would've bent the ball awkwardly.

Did you say the same thing after the 06-07 and 2009 Ashes, Merls?

Aus are hard to stop when they get on a roll in their own country, because they know most of the pitches will be identical- Ie flat, but with a bit more bounce for their quicks to make life difficult.

One of the problems Aus has faced in recent times is that most of their pitches are very similar these days, especially once the Kookaburra ball becomes a soft piece of shit after 15 overs.

They'll just prepare bouncy tracks against us, the likelihood is we won't fare well. Has there ever been an Adelaide track like the one we faced? I've watched quite a bit of Test cricket in Aus, I hadn't ever seen the ball do that much on that ground.

Brass Monkey wrote:They'll just prepare bouncy tracks against us, the likelihood is we won't fare well. Has there ever been an Adelaide track like the one we faced? I've watched quite a bit of Test cricket in Aus, I hadn't ever seen the ball do that much on that ground.

Aus don't fix pitches. Horrie told me so.

No, I know - they were 'good cricket wickets'. But still, when was there a track like that at Adelaide before the last Ashes series? Sort of a serious question. Either way, that's what we'll get. And I don't think we'll cope.

Probably the first time a drop in pitch was used there. I think it was imported from Perth.

Henry wrote:

Merlin wrote:5 - 0 in Aus won't ever happen again, not unless complacency creeps in to the England team's ethos again.

Heaps of complacency was they key to England's train-wreck last series Down Under.
They'd won 3 - 1 in England previously and were so up their own arses, and, as a
consequence, they forgot to take Aus (on home turf) seriously.

Rhino was a huge loss to Aus in this series.
He of all the Aussie quicks, would've bent the ball awkwardly.

Did you say the same thing after the 06-07 and 2009 Ashes, Merls?

Aus are hard to stop when they get on a roll in their own country, because they know most of the pitches will be identical- Ie flat, but with a bit more bounce for their quicks to make life difficult.

One of the problems Aus has faced in recent times is that most of their pitches are very similar these days, especially once the Kookaburra ball becomes a soft piece of shit after 15 overs.

Yes I'll willingly concede that I did say that England would not lose 5 - 0 both times that they did.
The first time we were slaughtered by the 2 tgm's.
The second time was sheer complacency, thinking they were the "superior" team having blasted Aus in England.
But that is all history now ... and I honestly don't think the same will happen again.
Perhaps a 4 - 0 or a 4 - 1 to Aus ... but even that's unlikely.

Let's put it this way, if England have not learned their past lessons by now, then God help us - they never will
and as such, would deserve to lose 5 - 0  every time they visit Aus.

What they need, I'd suggest, is a series against SA before an Ashes series Down Under.
Get attuned to pace and bounce on the SA wickets ... just a thought.

But if Punter gets his way and the Aussies adopt the Duke down under, then we're properly buggered!

Merlin wrote:

Henry wrote:

Merlin wrote:5 - 0 in Aus won't ever happen again, not unless complacency creeps in to the England team's ethos again.

Heaps of complacency was they key to England's train-wreck last series Down Under.
They'd won 3 - 1 in England previously and were so up their own arses, and, as a
consequence, they forgot to take Aus (on home turf) seriously.

Rhino was a huge loss to Aus in this series.
He of all the Aussie quicks, would've bent the ball awkwardly.

Did you say the same thing after the 06-07 and 2009 Ashes, Merls?

Aus are hard to stop when they get on a roll in their own country, because they know most of the pitches will be identical- Ie flat, but with a bit more bounce for their quicks to make life difficult.

One of the problems Aus has faced in recent times is that most of their pitches are very similar these days, especially once the Kookaburra ball becomes a soft piece of shit after 15 overs.

Yes I'll willingly concede that I did say that England would not lose 5 - 0 both times that they did.
The first time we were slaughtered by the 2 tgm's.
The second time was sheer complacency, thinking they were the "superior" team having blasted Aus in England.
But that is all history now ... and I honestly don't think the same will happen again.
Perhaps a 4 - 0 or a 4 - 1 to Aus ... but even that's unlikely.

Let's put it this way, if England have not learned their past lessons by now, then God help us - they never will
and as such, would deserve to lose 5 - 0  every time they visit Aus.

What they need, I'd suggest, is a series against SA before an Ashes series Down Under.
Get attuned to pace and bounce on the SA wickets ... just a thought.

But if Punter gets his way and the Aussies adopt the Duke down under, then we're properly buggered!

And who would get the Boxing Day test?

BanIndia?

Brass Monkey wrote:Bolls. Bobby Dazzler and the Caddy moved the ball

Nobody could catch when the dazzler bowled and Caddy only could in dead rubbers

Good points.

Possibly Oz 3-1.

Who knows? Crystal balls. The above is based on the usual algorithms (guesswork).

You didn't give all the options in the poll menu.

What about 0-0?

That was the climate change option

True. Or "series cancelled - cricket abandoned".

3-1, 3-0, 4-0, 4-1... any of those.

I don't see how the result would be any different given we were playing with 7 or 8 at most contributing this series.

7 or 8 will always beat 2 or 3.