Re: Rugby WC 2019

by beamer Sat 02 Nov 2019, 16:04

Yeah... took SA until the last 20 minutes of their third WC final to actually score a try in one... and you still haven’t conceded one!

As they say in NFL, defenc(s)e wins championships.

by taipan Sat 02 Nov 2019, 16:04

taipan wrote:Ah Growls. Good luck next week. I feel the SA pack has a little too much power for you guys. But should be a great game.

by taipan Sat 02 Nov 2019, 16:51

And now waiting for the Peteyifaction of how SA won.

by PeterCS Sat 02 Nov 2019, 18:19

Well, it looks a bit different, seen from Dublin City. Never gloat in victory, they say, never whine in defeat. Some lamentably do both, alternately. Switching their story, beat their chests to soak up reflected glory (covering evident low self-esteem issues) or else inveigh bitterly against political correctness & quota systems, all depending 100% on what happens on the day.

First of all, hearty congrats to the South African squad and coaching team. They knew exactly what they were doing, and were on it from the start. They brought all their strong points into play - power tackles and drives, de Klerk's wiles, sound placekicking (after one false shot), and late on, speed and sidestepping prowess on the wings. making the match finally appear a romp. They implemented their game plan to perfection.

As for England, it would be nice to say it was only the above-mentioned SAf excellence that stopped them playing. But England also contributed mightily to defeating themselves. On the big day, they pulled out a "2018" performance. As if they'd taken the week off, and turned up for the match in body only. Jangling with nervers, amazing to see after the tournament they'd had. No accuracy at all in the first half. "Passes" flung into empty spaces, dropping the ball unaccountably, weak would-be tackles (oh dear, Ford and Youngs in particular!). They seemed surprised even that Garces was so quick to blow up against them early on, which should have been a really key part of their preparation - to rise above such buffets.

So, through the doing of both squads, easily the better team won on the day.

And so many great, heart-warming stories from the SAf camp. In particular, Kalisi - what an inspiring, modest, skilful & powerful leader! - and Mapimpi.

So let's hope this success brings inspiration, common purpose and progress to the Rainbow Nation - and that even the fair-weather fans give up their blethering about selection biases & blindnesses.

Because all those "quota" players didn't serve the Boks too badly, eh?

Well played, South Africa! May you flourish from here!

(And to the England squad and set-up, congrats on an outstanding tournament, bar one badly misfiring day.)

by beamer Sat 02 Nov 2019, 19:03

So, Peter, what’s your prediction for the England XV that will beat France 21-15 in the final in Paris in four years’ time (England having got revenge on the Boks in the semis, with the hosts taking care of the All Blacks)? At least half of this lot should still be around, but I don’t really know a lot of the young prospects...

by Big Dog Sat 02 Nov 2019, 19:29

Englands scrum was totally dismantled by the boks & that was the difference. Well deserved win in the end.

by Basil Sat 02 Nov 2019, 20:43

SA tore us a new one. They did to us what we did to the All Blacks.

by taipan Sat 02 Nov 2019, 21:13

PeterCS wrote:Well, it looks a bit different, seen from Dublin City. Never gloat in victory, they say, never whine in defeat. Some lamentably do both, alternately. Switching their story, beat their chests to soak up reflected glory (covering evident low self-esteem issues) or else inveigh bitterly against political correctness & quota systems, all depending 100% on what happens on the day.

First of all, hearty congrats to the South African squad and coaching team. They knew exactly what they were doing, and were on it from the start. They brought all their strong points into play - power tackles and drives, de Klerk's wiles, sound placekicking (after one false shot), and late on, speed and sidestepping prowess on the wings. making the match finally appear a romp. They implemented their game plan to perfection.

As for England, it would be nice to say it was only the above-mentioned SAf excellence that stopped them playing. But England also contributed mightily to defeating themselves. On the big day, they pulled out a "2018" performance. As if they'd taken the week off, and turned up for the match in body only. Jangling with nervers, amazing to see after the tournament they'd had. No accuracy at all in the first half. "Passes" flung into empty spaces, dropping the ball unaccountably, weak would-be tackles (oh dear, Ford and Youngs in particular!). They seemed surprised even that Garces was so quick to blow up against them early on, which should have been a really key part of their preparation - to rise above such buffets.

So, through the doing of both squads, easily the better team won on the day.

And so many great, heart-warming stories from the SAf camp. In particular, Kalisi - what an inspiring, modest, skilful & powerful leader! - and Mapimpi.

So let's hope this success brings inspiration, common purpose and progress to the Rainbow Nation - and that even the fair-weather fans give up their blethering about selection biases & blindnesses.

Because all those "quota" players didn't serve the Boks too badly, eh?

Well played, South Africa! May you flourish from here!

(And to the England squad and set-up, congrats on an outstanding tournament, bar one badly misfiring day.)

As expected. A massive pile.

by lardbucket Sun 03 Nov 2019, 02:03

taips - if you really dislike Peter so much, and don't enjoy his posts, can you just not engage with him, instead of sniping and baiting? Your posts above seem gratuitously offensive; just enjoy the win, please.

I don't understand or enjoy rugby (union) but I'm pleased for the South African nation that they won an important sporting tournament, and I agree with others above that it's significant and encouraging that this has been achieved in an era of increased African participation in what was once the White Man's game.

by Bradman Sun 03 Nov 2019, 03:13

Well the RFDS is all the better for it and it's always nice when you're right about skewed odds. As for Jones coming back to Australia. I like the way his team's play but his style of mgt might suit England or SA but will probably prove as problematic this time around.

We also need to start breeding forwards. Like our racing industry which will prove yet again on Tuesday we prefer flash over substance.

by beamer Sun 03 Nov 2019, 09:57

Just import your forwards from the Pacific Islands like everyone else does... I expect you already do to an extent, so it must be the scouting that’s behind!

by Bradman Sun 03 Nov 2019, 10:28

Everyone else probably pay them more. We seem to have this attitude that backs are worth a fortune despite the fact that if they're blown by the time, and if, they get into the opposition half they're worth not a brass razoo. If teams just bring one thing out of last night it's the most important two people in the squad are the tight head prop and reserve tight head prop.

by beamer Sun 03 Nov 2019, 13:34

Scrummaging has always seemed a weakness for the Wobblies, even when you were more prominent... Australia always seem to prefer multi-skilled forwards (I mean, John Eales even kicked goals!) and I guess the rest of the world has caught up in that regard without sacrificing the set piece too much.

by Big Dog Sun 03 Nov 2019, 20:34

Bradman wrote:Everyone else probably pay them more. We seem to have this attitude that backs are worth a fortune despite the fact that if they're blown by the time, and if, they get into the opposition half they're worth not a brass razoo. If teams just bring one thing out of last night it's the most important two people in the squad are the tight head prop and reserve tight head prop.

Totally agree. (no prizes for guessing which position i played) Laughing

by Bradman Sun 03 Nov 2019, 22:21

Fly half and hidden away at fullback in the firsts (you could get away with that back in the day). Magic left foot being the only reason I got a run in the firsts.

by horace Mon 04 Nov 2019, 00:59

So no WC asterisk for Inner Pomgolia. Rugger is a shitter game

by Bradman Mon 04 Nov 2019, 02:30

Like fc cricket you need to grow up with it to enjoy it properly.

by Big Dog Mon 04 Nov 2019, 05:17

England copping heaps for refusing to wear their runners up medals. Along with the Haka incident they seem to be going out of their way to offend everyone.

by taipan Mon 04 Nov 2019, 06:31

Big Dog wrote:England copping heaps for refusing to wear their runners up medals. Along with the Haka incident they seem to be going out of their way to offend everyone.

Apparantly* they also refused to applaud the referee.

by Bradman Mon 04 Nov 2019, 09:16

Yeah like you can blame the ref for dropped hall and a farked up scrum, just to name two things.

by beamer Tue 05 Nov 2019, 08:10

taipan wrote:
Big Dog wrote:England copping heaps for refusing to wear their runners up medals. Along with the Haka incident they seem to be going out of their way to offend everyone.

Apparantly* they also refused to applaud the referee.

There’s nothing in the laws of the game that says you have to do that... as long as you don’t punch him, you’ve done nothing wrong.

I’m sure “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser” features in Eddie Jones’s phrase bank Wink

by taipan Tue 05 Nov 2019, 12:58

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/03/sports-direct-mocked-half-time-half-price-promotion-england/

by Big Dog Tue 05 Nov 2019, 20:01

taipan wrote:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/03/sports-direct-mocked-half-time-half-price-promotion-england/

by beamer Tue 05 Nov 2019, 20:07

What price one with 2023 on it instead? Wink

by beamer Thu 07 Nov 2019, 21:38

The Beast retires from internationals... while Dylan Hartley ends his career after injuries kept him out of WC contention. Sonny Bill off to Toronto...

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