FFS...Another Terrorist Attack in Mumbai!!!!

rey wrote:Buckaroo & co, what are your thoughts on the upcoming Lok Sabha elections?

Can your men Rajnath and Mr Advani pull it off?

From what I've read, its looking a real possibility that a third front led by someone like Mayawati could end up as suprise winners.

Mayawati will be a mirage and won't get much further. Outside UP she has no base.

I think we may end up having a hung parliament and another unstable coalition. Too many players and fronts fighting over too less.

TBH, I don't think NDA will get there easy at all. Advani's team is a bit on the left foot here. Advani does not perhaps have the kind of appeal and charishma Vajpayee had. Someone younger and dynamic like Modi or Jetley should have been the PM candidate. As much as I hate it, but the Congress thugs and their regional allies may hoodwink the people again and work them on caste lines and attempts have already begun by bringing up reservations for Muslims, Marathas etc. up again. More illegal slums will be promised regularization. As long as illeteracy and unemployment remain, people will be fooled by these stunts. SP will be big losers and so will be the Commies and I expect that the moment BJP and co is seen to have an upper hand the Commies will close ranks with UPA again in another farcical attempt to keep the 'Communal forces' at bay. If all these terrorism and Muslim appeasement degeneration has not already opened up the eyes of the people, than nothing ever will....

rey wrote:Buckaroo & co, what are your thoughts on the upcoming Lok Sabha elections?

Can your men Rajnath and Mr Advani pull it off?

From what I've read, its looking a real possibility that a third front led by someone like Mayawati could end up as suprise winners.

they are not my men.

Anyone but the hindu fascists. Even some tin-pot regressive backward ass-licking coalition. If Modi becomes PM, you might as well burn the parts about equal rights for all citizens in the constitution.

Edit : Maybe it should be "anyone but the religious fascists". It's almost the same thing in India.

doremi wrote:Anyone but the hindu fascists. Even some tin-pot regressive backward ass-licking coalition. If Modi becomes PM, you might as well burn the parts about equal rights for all citizens in the constitution.

Edit : Maybe it should be "anyone but the religious fascists". It's almost the same thing in India.

But fact is there is no such thing as equal rights in India. People are given rights in excess as privileges based on caste and this is as racist as it gets. The moment the constitution is finally subverted this elections to include 'muslims' in the ambit, the 'secular' face of facism will be complete. Equality means helping the poor from all castes and religions based on economic depravity and not to help the super rich based on castes. You would rather hold Modi responsible for something triggered by Muslims against Hindus, something seen under Congress Govts in past too elsewhere but would be willing to overlook where he has taken Gujarat and what he can offer in terms of total commitment and focus for development across India.

People blame Ram Sena for attacking the pub culture in Mangalore but don't comment on Muslims going a rampage in Bangalore for 'protesting' hanging of Saddam in Iraq [FFS by his own people too and not by Indians]. 'Seculars' also drive Taslima out of India to pacify Muslim mullahs. Where do you draw the line of who is a religious fanatic and who is not? Modi must be blamed if theatres don't want communal harmony disrupted and ban a film like Parzania on their own, but when Congress in Maharashtra allows MNS goons to carry our violence for fear of losing Marathi votes and bans a film like Deshdrohi which focuses on the same issue, no one bats an eyelid. The line gets blurred further and it does not certainly start or end with Modi or Gujarat or BJP alone...

The Congress are as big a bunch of "religious fascists" as the BJP. Every bit as communal. And I'd say way more dangerous than those who are openly so. It's just sad that people don't realise this.

That's all.

HH_pink wrote:The Congress are as big a bunch of "religious fascists" as the BJP. Every bit as communal. And I'd say way more dangerous than those who are openly so. It's just sad that people don't realise this.

That's all.

True.

I have asked this before and ask this again. How is appealing for Hindu votes 'Communal' and asking for Muslim votes 'Secular'? If choosing one over other, pitting one against other [be it Hindu v/s Muslims or Dalits and so called OBCs against so called 'Forward castes'] is communal then it is communal both ways and Congress can't choose sides and call themselves secular while they accuse others of being communal for the same. I have said this and I will repeat it that after India's formative years Congress had a 25 year unbeaten run [and 50 years overall]and they could have used it eradicate the class, religion and caste structure by being truely Secular and bringing all citizens together irrepective of caste/religion by focusing on economic deprivation, but they chose to play up the Muslims and OBC cards and created more fissures in the society and deliberately kept a majority of the rural people illitrate and deprived for short term political gains. The naxal issue is again a creation of failed Congress policies and sins of ommision and commision as well in the past, the creation of Sikh militancy and the current Hindu-Muslim/Forward-Backward imbroglio, all Congress gifts to our constitution. The license and inspector raj they introduced a huge reason for promoting and breeding corruption in every sphere of life. The division of states on linguistic and regional lines is now coming back to haunt the grand daddy big time as their policies helped foster regional goonda parties who now call all the shots.

And I have said this before that with BJP we all know what we are getting. We know what that book has but Congress is most dangerous because it hides it's real agendas, it's real leaders and plays a devious game of cloak and dagger and blatantly plays votebank politics based on minority and backward identities, manipulating cleverly the citizens against each other in a divisive agenda they themselves created after partition and labeled 'Secular'. It worked as long as masses were uneducated, conservative in regards to history, backwards and illitrate and identified Congress with Mahatma Gandhi and freedom fighters. But that is fast changing now and they no longer can hide behind their pack of lies.

Yes they are both communal to the core and there is neither any democracy here [Family rule in Congress over party democracy] nor equality among citizens [Caste and Religous reservations and sections of people still discriminated based on castes. Reverse discrimination against forward castes, the so called 'general' category].

I was laughing my head off when I heard Sonia Gandhi declare on TV that only Congress and UPA alone can give a fitting reply to terrorism in India. Some of UPA's 'strong and fitting' anti-terror responses so far [In no particular order]:

- Scrapping TADA/POTA
- Allowing SIMI to grow over the years
- Support of SIMI and terrorist supporters to Govt like MIM [AP], Paswan, Laloo, Mulayam, Amar Singh, PDP [J&K].
- Secularism for Muslim terrorists at the cost of Hindu majority
- Turning a blind eye to growing number of madrassas and radical activities in Border areas of Bangladesh and Pakistan
- Keeping parliament attacker Afzal Guru alive against Supreme Court orders
- Forming Govt with Separatists and traitors like Mehbooba Mufti in J&K
- Giving Pak 'Most Favoured Nation' status even after the Mumbai attack
- Begging to USA for help even after major terror attacks all over India in most cities
- Begging to Pak for taking action for Mumbai attacks even after 2 months since the attack
- Obstructing crucial defence purchases to red tape and muslim politics
- Deny BJP ruled states, strong laws like MCOCA while allowing Conngress ruled state Maharashtra the same
- Regularizing illegal Bangladeshis for muslim votes, the biggest pool of foot soldiers for LeT-HuJI and ISI
- Restricting police action and powers for Muslim votes and scrapping all legal support for prevention of terrorist activities by police in the name of minority sensitivity.
- Freeing terrorists like Madani [Coimbatore Blasts] through Parliament resolutions for Muslim votes in Kerala
- Ignoring Kerala - Middle East hawala networks and growing radical influence there

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Yes Sonia Gandhi is so right about how strong UPA's fight against terror has been.....
Except it isn't funny at all and the people are in no mood for her jokes.

faisal, Merlin et al .. time to eat humble pie ..

sceptics were asking how Indians knew immidiately after the attack who were responsible ..

26/11 dossier: Pak accepts India's charges
New Delhi: Pakistan on Thursday responded to India's 26/11 dossier.

Pakistan has lodged an FIR in connection with the Mumbai terror attacks, Interior Ministry Chief Rehman Malik said in a press conference.

Malik also accepted that some part of conspiracy related to the Mumbai attacks was planned in Pakistan.

Three persons have been named in the FIR lodged under the Anti-Terrorism Act. The FIR number is 01/2009 and it was lodged in the Special Investigating Unit in Samba.

Hamad Ameen Sadiq, who facilitated money transfer for the terrorist attack in Mumbai and is the main operative, has also been arrested.

Some bank details too have been zeroed in. FIA has been able to get the hideout in Karachi and the nearby areas.

He appeased the Indians and said, “People of India we are with you and with the international community who are against terror attacks. However, we will be requesting some additional response from the Indian Government to strengthen our prosecution.”

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/2611-dossier-pak-accepts-indias-charges/85145-2.html

Mumbai mystery unlocked

http://www.newscentralasia.net/Articles-and-Reports/389.html

Good to see Pakistan carrying out an honest investigation.....

and also good to see India have also admitted that 14-16 Indians were involved in the attacks....

Knew from day 1 that mere 10 men could NEVER had done it all by themselves.

its more important to see if pakistan is really serious about shutting down its terror program. this is a good step, but its only a small first step in the larger outlook. the camps need to go, the training needs to stop, the people need to be put behind bars. not going to be easy for pak, but its own survival is tied closely to this

The One wrote:its more important to see if pakistan is really serious about shutting down its terror program. this is a good step, but its only a small first step in the larger outlook. the camps need to go, the training needs to stop, the people need to be put behind bars. not going to be easy for pak, but its own survival is tied closely to this

I said this before and I will repeat it again. Pakistan can't selectively choose terrorism to justify it against India. If they don't shut down this Frankienstien they created soon enoigh, it will shut Pak down. Their creation of Taliban is coming around as Taliban now moves in closer and closer to taking over pakistan from SWAT and NWFP. The jihadis have roots spread over all of Pak and they will no doubt find enough people and mullahs willing to throw away the democracy and if neede dthe army in the long run. Shutting the jihadi infrastructure is the only way Pak the nation will survive else it will be Talibanized and will force one day India, NATO, Israel and USA to close ranks and initiate a combined assualt on Pakistan.

PlanetPakistan wrote:
and also good to see India have also admitted that 14-16 Indians were involved in the attacks....

who said this ?

The One wrote:its more important to see if pakistan is really serious about shutting down its terror program. this is a good step, but its only a small first step in the larger outlook. the camps need to go, the training needs to stop, the people need to be put behind bars. not going to be easy for pak, but its own survival is tied closely to this

Pakistan's terror camps are now being used by extra-regional actors. But it is Pakistan that has to decide it's future course and not let other decide it for them.

Our mandate needs to be clear, either they come clean or else we may sanitise the neighbourhood in interests of higher strategic security. The Americans will also be a casualty in this because they have masterminded mumbai attack.

26/11 masterminds had 320 targets on their hit list

London: Pakistan based banned Terror outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba, which plotted and executed the Mumbai carnage, killing more than 170 people, had placed India’s financial hub among 320 potential targets around the world to carry out commando-style terror attacks.

Western intelligence agencies have accessed the computer and email account of Lashkar’s communications chief, Zarar Shah, and found a list of possible targets, only 20 of which were in India.
According to a report in the 'Guardian', the LeT wanted to carry out such strikes beyond India to create terror. Shah and Lashkars operations chief Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, two of the main plotters of the Mumbai carnage, are now in Pakistan Police custody.

Pakistan’s decision to bring criminal charges against nine men accused of involvement in the Mumbai attack has partly placated Indian officials.

The US has been trying behind the scenes to co-ordinate intelligence exchanges between India and Pakistan.


Intelligence agencies have warned that Mumbai raises the spectre of a new style of terrorist assault when 10 heavily armed gunmen created mayhem for three days and brought the city of 19 million people to a halt.

Nine of the gunmen were killed, but the lone survivor has given Indian investigators a full confession that the assault was planned in Pakistan by LeT.

There has been some speculation that raids in Spain in which netted 12 men including an Indian and 11 Pakistanis arrested were a result of the investigations into Lashkar’s role in the Mumbai attacks.

The Police chargesheets and the investigators have now also named 2 Pakistan Army ex-colonels from ISI whose IPS was used by LeT's Zarar Shah to purchase and use the VOIP service to communicate with the terrorists in Mumbai.....

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