The new old white ball

The replacement ball now being used in JAMODIs. Can anyone tell me the story? It's a used ball that's been cleaned up?

seems the seams a bit" flater"...

other than that i have no idea.

If you mean replacing an unfit ball during the course of play, I think the Laws of Cricket apply. Which means they've got a couple of various ones on stand-by a la test cricket. Whether they're cleaned up or not I know not.

It's probably in the playing conditions for the current JAMODIs, though fark knows where you'd find those.

PlanetPakistan wrote:seems the seams is a bit" flater"...

other than that i have no idea.

Cheers mate, thanks

"If you mean replacing an unfit ball during the course of play, I think the Laws of Cricket apply. Which means they've got a couple of various ones on stand-by a la test cricket. Whether they're cleaned up or not I know not.

It's probably in the playing conditions for the current JAMODIs, though fark knows where you'd find those."

Cheers ???. Others will know more but I have the impression that in the current series they are replacing the ball at a set point in the innings with what appears to be a used ball that has a good wash down.

My question to the forum was whether or not I have this right?

It is a global thing - the ball gets replaced at 36 overs (so somewhere close to that).

What I don't know if it is a brandspanking new ball or if it has had some of the shine taken off (although is still hard).

white ball, smite ball..

interesting to know a bit more about it ... the replacement ball always seems to have more bounce than the spurned ball, suggesting the replacement ball is harder...

if the replacement ball has similar wear and tear then why is it harder?..does a softened ball harden when left to recover for a day or two or is it a case of once a softy always a softy?

JGK wrote:It is a global thing - the ball gets replaced at 36 overs (so somewhere close to that).

What I don't know if it is a brandspanking new ball or if it has had some of the shine taken off (although is still hard).

Thanks JGK. I heard someone yesterday say something about a "reconditioned" ball. Shortly after that they played one of those closeup ball from the bowler's hand shots. The sides of the ball were white but between the rows of stitches was quite dirty.

From the ODI REgulations (still not really clear what state the mandatory replacement ball needs to be other than 5.3 earlier says replacement balls should be of similar amount of wear...



5.3.4 In addition, there will be a mandatory change of the ball at the
commencement of the 35th over of each innings.
5.3.5 The mandatory replacement balls for each innings are to be preselected
by the captains prior to the match from the supply of
spare balls provided by the home Board as follows:
a) The fourth umpire will supervise the process.
b) The captain who has lost the toss shall be permitted to
select two balls from the supply of cleaned and whitened
used balls.
c) The fourth umpire will identify which ball has been
selected by each team and shall pass it to the on-field
umpires prior to the commencement of the 35th over.

They're probably just balls that are about 10-15 overs old.

I have said all along they should just go back to the old days when two new balls were used, one from each end. That way, the ball only ever gets 25 overs old.

skully wrote:I have said all along they should just go back to the old days when two new balls were used, one from each end. That way, the ball only ever gets 25 overs old.

RIP spinners, though.

Not so sure. Two new balls wouldn't stop the chuckers. No-one really spins the ball in ODIs anyway, not since Warne finished. Dipak Patel opened the bowling ... so darts and pace variation can still play a part.

Right at this moment, the balance between bat and ball in world cricket seems to be just about right. Lets leave things as they are for a little while.

Henry wrote:

skully wrote:I have said all along they should just go back to the old days when two new balls were used, one from each end. That way, the ball only ever gets 25 overs old.

RIP spinners, though.

I disagree. After 5 overs the ball doesn't swing much but would retain enough hardness to give spinners extra bounce. However this will never happen because everyone wants a formulaic JAMODI that in no way favours the bowlers.

I partly agree if we are talking Tests.

In ODIs and T20s, though, it's almost entirely a contest between batting line-ups, with the bowlers largely irrelevant. In the short game, fielding is probably more important than bowling ...

With the flat pitches these days, a newer ball favours the batsmen more than the bowlers.

I get curious about the "stock" of used balls. 95% of games run close to 50 overs per team.

Mick Sawyer wrote:I get curious about the "stock" of used balls. 95% of games run close to 50 overs per team.

Sometimes the Bangles and Zim play other teams, and bat first.

Henry wrote:

skully wrote:I have said all along they should just go back to the old days when two new balls were used, one from each end. That way, the ball only ever gets 25 overs old.

RIP spinners, though.

tough...we do not have any...but mind you neither do your lot or the saffies for that matter

tough...we do not have any...but mind you neither do your lot or the saffies for that matter

But you'd still kill for a Panesar, Swann, or Harris, eh Horrie. And what you guys wouldn't give for a young leg spinning prospect like Adil Rashid.

Or Warney.

erm...no...

Bollocks, and you know it.

lardbucket wrote:

Mick Sawyer wrote:I get curious about the "stock" of used balls. 95% of games run close to 50 overs per team.

Sometimes the Bangles and Zim play other teams, and bat first.

............. and hence the 5% allowance.