The 50 over game! Whats the solution to one day cricket?

All these while we made cracks at how test cricket would be replaced soon with 2 inning T20 matches. Just thought about how Sachin wants the one day game broken into 2 innings of 25 each so that toss and luck would play a lesser part and both sides get equal chances to come back under similiar conditions. The idea is very interesting. Turning it into a 40 over a side won't solve much like Fleming suggested. It will only reduce the amount of 300 runs per innings being scored these days and do nothing more.

So what should be done to spruce the game up. Or should Warne's advice be heeded and it be scrapped altogether?

Scrap it - make it 2 innings of 25.

Get rid of it completely. What's the point of making it like T20? Might as well just play more T20 in that case.....

There comes a time when you can only re-work and re-market a product so much until you have to accept that it's past its sell by date. That time has come for 50 over cricket.

2 innings one day cricket has never really been given a go though.

leave it as it is. 2 x 25 overs is no good, its just like having 2 t20s, doesnt give bowlers a proper spell, doesnt give batsmen a chance to build an innings. samaraweera may be FTB but innings' like his back to the wall hundred today is what separates ODI from T20.

dropping or changing 50 overs ODI would be too kneejerk in response to T20. let T20 settle, its the new kid on the block bound to make waves. ppl will come back to 50 over stuff

But will it fit in with T20? Imo it would be too similar. It would basically just be 2 innings T20 cricket. Many people choose T20 because it's all over in just 3 hours. 3 hours of slogging is just about short enough to handle. 7 hours of slogging would just be boring.

Let 50 over cricket quietly die after the next world cup, then just have the 2 forms of tha game.

Am I the only one who Still prefers ODIs to 20/20s?

I dont really like either anymore. Test cricket is the only form of the game that's really worth watching consistently. Still......

Henry wrote:But will it fit in with T20? Imo it would be too similar. It would basically just be 2 innings T20 cricket. Many people choose T20 because it's all over in just 3 hours. 3 hours of slogging is just about short enough to handle. 7 hours of slogging would just be boring.

Let 50 over cricket quietly die after the next world cup, then just have the 2 forms of tha game.

the point is that its not 7 hours of slogging, its maybe 3 hrs of slogging and 4 hours of 'proper cricket'. in its current form, ODI cricket isn't overly similar to T20. chop and change it then you might have a case.

also, i'd prefer a 50 over match on a lazy sunday to a T20. it's more engrossing and allows quality players to make more of a stamp. surely there's room for 3 formats? just cut down the number of ODIs

There isn't one "silver bullet" that's going to solve this problem. What's needed is a comprehensive approach.

The first thing that needs to be done is to create a window for the IPL. Just like a case of gangrene we need to isolate it from the rest of the body.

You then need to reduce the number of One-Day Internationals while incorporating them into an annual league. Give these games some meaning and all of a sudden a JAMODI becomes a JAODI. It's still not perfect, but it's an improvement.

While we've contained T20 at the Domestic/Indian level, we still need to stop the gangrene from spreading internationally. I suggest we incorporate it into the one-day (or "limited overs") league. Play one IT20 before each 3-match ODI series. These can be friendlies if you want, but I'd prefer to have them count towards the League. The reason is twofold a) it gives them a little bit of meaning, and b) it keeps Twenty20 inside the tent and on a leash.

Once you have the right structure in place I think it makes tinkering with the format of the game itself less necessary. I can see there being room to move down to 40 overs to excise some of the middle overs, but I don't think there's a need for radical change.

there's already the icc odi championship which each and every ODI contributes towards, not sure if there's a similar table for T20 yet.

the problem with that is unless you're fighting for #1, there's little interest from the fans and probably the teams themselves. the annual league could address this but then this eats into WC territory.

leave things as they are.

Ash wrote: just cut down the number of ODIs

This has to be the way but it'll never happen.

Make T20 your money maker and reduce the ODI's to a 3 match series like the old days.

Also, make sure each 3 ODI Series is before the Tests.

Ash wrote:there's already the icc odi championship which each and every ODI contributes towards, not sure if there's a similar table for T20 yet.

the problem with that is unless you're fighting for #1, there's little interest from the fans and probably the teams themselves. the annual league could address this but then this eats into WC territory.

leave things as they are.

If we're going to avoid creating a league competition because it might take a little bit away from the World Cup then we aren't serious about solving the problem.

We can't sacrifice the good of the game for four weeks of glory every four years.

English soccer gets by just fine with both a League and a Cup competition. Sure, the FA Cup isn't as prestigious as it once was, but it still commands a valuable place in the calendar and in people's hearts.

A rankings system is nice, but a league is necessary if you truly want to create interest.

but there already is a league. and the league isn't just on an annual basis so the team that tops it is widely accepted to be the best in the world. currently SA are top and most people acknowledge them as the best side.

the world cup / champions trophy are your FA and league cups - the winner isn't always the best side in the world but there is a certain prestige attached to them. i think this covers all bases tbh.

as i said every ODI match contributes to the ICC ODI Chmpionship Table. maybe a annual trophy could be dished out on a certain cut off point (1st September) to emphasise its existence.

I think you'll find that when someone other than Australia wins a World Cup interest will pick up.

Hass has made some good suggestions.

At the end of the day the fans will decide what lives / dies.

If it were not for test cricket the cricketing world would be rapidly going down the soccer way where club championships (t 20s), driven by the dollar or rupee rule the roost and internationals are relegated to some kind of periodic world championship once every 2 - 4 years. It may yet happen, hard to predict.

vilkrang wrote:Am I the only one who Still prefers ODIs to 20/20s?

I prefer neither atm. But in long term I prefer ODIs and absolutely despise T20s. My current disinterest in ODIs only stems from the excessive amount of meaningless ODIs BCCI scheduled in it's greed for money taking the interest level beyond saturation point. But seeing top one day teams like India, SA and till recently Aus playing each other still gets me back once in a while.

That said I have yet to give T20 a shot. Have not watched a single game to date! I have been way too conservative in giving it a chance I think.....

Hass wrote:The first thing that needs to be done is to create a window for the IPL. Just like a case of gangrene we need to isolate it from the rest of the body.

But thats what will start a rapid slide down to thrash cricket FTPs, I am afraid. You give one slot for IPL to BCCI and money will take the first step forward to consuming the ICC completely. It won't stop with IPL alone. BCCI will then come up with more such T20 leagues. Already the crap called Champion's T20 trophy is upon us. TQ Modi is already making plans for 2 IPLs a year with the seond to be played outside India. Then reportedly other cricket boards are also planning their own IPL style T20 competitions and may also seek similiar concessions from ICC if it ever happens. It just puts into process a whole lot of consequences that hasn't been thought out. It will just act as a cataclysm to hasten the death of test cricket much sooner than later. In this case on te contrary the ganrene won't be isolated but will actually be allowed to take over and poison the whole body!

And I absolutely hate the BCCI. India has a very reasanable chance of playing for a number 1 test spot and yet they seem to have only 3 tests scheduled this season amidst a non stop calender full of ODIs and T20s. WTF?????

The 50 over game! Whats the solution to one day cricket?

Banindia

taipan wrote:The 50 over game! Whats the solution to one day cricket?

Banindia

Followed by what later? Ban SA, Ban Aus and soon the whole cricketing fraternity? Everyone is chasing dollars and wanting a piece of the pie and not BCCI alone. Most other boards are also interested in having their own leagues too.....

Every time a coconut.

BTW - Sachin was talking out of his arse when saying the toss has too big a say on the results on JAMODIs. In 115 JAMODIs played to a conclusion in the last 12 months, the winner of the toss has won 58 of them.

JGK wrote:BTW - Sachin was talking out of his arse when saying the toss has too big a say on the results on JAMODIs. In 115 JAMODIs played to a conclusion in the last 12 months, the winner of the toss has won 58 of them.

Well he was right 50.435% of the time.

How long have they been tinkering with the 50 over game for now? 10 years? It's had enough. It's over. It's dead. Time to move on. The end. That's all she wrote. Sayonara.