Just watched a full replay of the Indian 2nd dig

So, what did you think of Dhoni's catch?

furriner wrote:

lardbucket wrote:

furriner wrote:

tac wrote: Can't have it both ways. He claimed what he thought was out and didn't claim what he thought wasn't out.

Fair point and I did think of it. First the, to me, complete ridiculousness of the second appeal is the reason. I just cannot see how he could have claimed that (forget what the umpires saw or what we saw etc).

On a more general note, it isn't in my opinion a question of having it both ways. Kumble was a great guy with a honourable record for Australian forummers till now. Now he is being derided (and it could be that this too is fair). I might as well tell Aus forummers they can't have it both ways.

Kumble Ponting isn't being derided.

He had a shocking day, spat the dummy, threw all his toys out of the cot, and unleashed a spray in a red mist moment. He was wrong about many (not all) of the things he said and there will be a softening of his views (at least in public!) over coming days.

Works both ways.

Yes it does, my point precisely. In this case it was Kumble who lost his rag under pressure. Still one of my favourite cricketers, despite his diplomatic cock-up here.

tac wrote:How about claiming this one?

Your link doesn't work.Not for me anyway.

Can you imagine the furore if the catch that tac is ridiculously faffing around to try and make work had been claimed against India?

All hell would let loose. As I remember it KP was slated at the time for 'standing his ground after seeing the replay'

JKLever wrote:Can you imagine the furore if the catch that tac is ridiculously faffing around to try and make work had been claimed against India?

All hell would let loose. As I remember it KP was slated at the time for 'standing his ground after seeing the replay'

Make it work, JKL!!!!

tac wrote:

JKLever wrote:Can you imagine the furore if the catch that tac is ridiculously faffing around to try and make work had been claimed against India?

All hell would let loose. As I remember it KP was slated at the time for 'standing his ground after seeing the replay'

Make it work, JKL!!!!

put the whole embed code between the tags man!

This one is iffy too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEl0X1ThZU8&feature=related

Indeed, noelene . . .

I think a surprising number of well-held close catches might be disqualified after slow-mo replay on the grounds of a small "corner" of the ball touching the ground at some point.

tac wrote:

Goodness me, that's almost as bad as the final wicket of Harby's famous hat-trick. The blokes that claimed them MUST have been cheating, right?

tac wrote:

He must have seen that ball bounce in front of him.

Speaking as someone who fields close to the bat, and plays an OK standard of cricket (i'm not jacking myself off here by the way)......

You don't actually always know whether the ball has touched the turf or not. In fact generally the person that knows is the bloke next to you at slip etc...

Problem is, those low catches you watch the ball until the very last minute but then you loose it. If its coming quick you really don't have much of an idea, but it FEELS as if its gone in cleanly.

Now you can't say thats cheating, its just an unknown.

Hmmm....

holcs wrote:Speaking as someone who fields close to the bat, and plays an OK standard of cricket (i'm not jacking myself off here by the way)......

You don't actually always know whether the ball has touched the turf or not. In fact generally the person that knows is the bloke next to you at slip etc...

Problem is, those low catches you watch the ball until the very last minute but then you loose it. If its coming quick you really don't have much of an idea, but it FEELS as if its gone in cleanly.

Now you can't say thats cheating, its just an unknown.

Well spoken

holcs wrote:Speaking as someone who fields close to the bat, and plays an OK standard of cricket (i'm not jacking myself off here by the way)......

You don't actually always know whether the ball has touched the turf or not. In fact generally the person that knows is the bloke next to you at slip etc...

Problem is, those low catches you watch the ball until the very last minute but then you loose it. If its coming quick you really don't have much of an idea, but it FEELS as if its gone in cleanly.

Now you can't say thats cheating, its just an unknown.

Also when diving to take a catch, again it goes in cleanly, but then you concentrate so much on keeping it in when you land that actually you do not have any idea you have grounded the ball. But you do know that it has gone in clean and stayed in clean!

Aye what i was saying before, anybody calling ponting a cheat tells me that:

1. they have never played cricket

2. they have never played cricket

3. they have never played cricket

However ponting needs to pull his head out stop trying to make deals on catches and understand that the many empty vessels who follow cricket will make such a cacophony of noise if they perceive injustice that it's simply not worth trying to do the right thing.

Similar to what Chas was saying....

Stop faffing about, JKL, and post the farkin thing proper . . .

Chas:

Strangely, at short catching practice tonight, I took a one-handed catch stretching to my right, then momentarily overbalanced and put that hand to the ground to steady myself. The knuckles took most of the weight there, but the bottom of the ball would also have just skimmed the ground after (in my "gut") I had comfortably completed the 'catch'.

"Ooops ... I guess that's not out"

JKLever wrote:

Similar to what Chas was saying....

Worse than Punter's in that Bell changes his grip on the ball as it seems to pop out . . .

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holcs wrote:

Also when diving to take a catch, again it goes in cleanly, but then you concentrate so much on keeping it in when you land that actually you do not have any idea you have grounded the ball. But you do know that it has gone in clean and stayed in clean!

I find that a jock strap generally helps - or maybe tight V fronts ... white of course!

Seriously - I agree with your comments Chas, having been a 'lesser' slip (2nd or 3rd) for many a year ...
I find that invariably, one cannot cannot authoritively claim a catch where the fingers/knuckles graze the grass though generally
in such circumstances, you do tend to have a good feeling on whether it was clean or not.

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holcs wrote:

holcs wrote:

Also when diving to take a catch, again it goes in cleanly, but then you concentrate so much on keeping it in when you land that actually you do not have any idea you have grounded the ball. But you do know that it has gone in clean and stayed in clean!

I find that a jock strap generally helps - or maybe tight V fronts ... white of course!

Seriously - I agree with your comments Chas, having been a 'lesser' slip (2nd or 3rd) for many a year ...
I find that invariably, one cannot cannot authoritively claim a catch where the fingers/knuckles graze the grass though generally
in such circumstances, you do tend to have a good feeling on whether it was clean or not.

If you have a 'good feeling', but someone comes along with a bit of video footage that shows you're wrong, in this day and age there are plenty who will call you a cheat.

lardbucket wrote:

If you have a 'good feeling', but someone comes along with a bit of video footage that shows you're wrong, in this day and age there are plenty who will call you a cheat.

Yes, I agree, and sadly that is the case.
hence my loathing to attribute "cheat" in such cases.

Kinda dobbs it with acts like Afridi's 'wicket grinding' and the 15 degree angle!

I think the key difference between Punter's "catch" and those of others (excluding latif of course!), is that RP is the only skipper serously advocating taking the word of the fielders at all costs. Obviously it then leaves a sour taste when the aformentioned player claims a dodgy "catch" at a crucial stage in the game - there is no way that Punter knew for sure that he had control of the ball (and replays show he didn't), and therefore he should not have claimed the catch (given the pre-series pact).