Re: England v Sri Lanka, 3rd Test, Lords, 9-13 June, 2016

by skully Fri 10 Jun 2016, 12:40

Aw shit. Sorry Chris.

by Brass Monkey Fri 10 Jun 2016, 12:48

Jhonny may yet turn into Johnny. Jury is out, but he's wrecking the scores.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 12:59

PeterCS wrote:
Basil wrote:Does everyone remember the time we all thought Bairstow was shoite?

Errr ... not everyone. We don't all jerk knees in place of judgment!

Some said: "Let's see. Lad's clearly v nervous". I did fear for him in SAfrica though, and said as much. Glad the fears were unfounded.

So too with Vince. Any call for his damnation to hellfire yet? Weak start score-wise to his Test career, but I'm not sure. I'd like to see a few more innings.

England have sprung another leak at the top of the order, though. As has been remarked on above, the supposed adventurous foil to Cook's gradual accumulation is now scoring at half his speed as well as with half his assurance. And seems to be exploring the whole range of headless ways to get out. After crawling his way to a couple of decent scores, to go back to peanuts again is not good.

btw, on subject of paying over-rehearsed, with a burden of pressure added to by yourself: Did anyone not catch Bren McC's Cowdrey lecture? A weird and wonderful listen. Strange, intense, to me at least unexpected in parts, etc.

https://www.lords.org/mcc/mcc-spirit-of-cricket/mcc-spirit-of-cricket-cowdrey-lecture/2016-brendon-mccullum/

If you can't listen, this is one person's summary: http://www.mensxp.com/sports/cricket/30978-brendon-mccullum-s-cowdrey-lecture-shows-why-he-is-one-of-the-most-respected-cricketers-of-the-last-decade.html

Don't think anyone had a knee jerk. He couldn't play the short ball and was found out time and time again, there was a technical deficiency and he didn't look like he had the technique for test cricket.

However he worked on his game, changed his technique and back lift and it had massively paid dividends.

Only problem is the amount of runs he leaks from dropped catches, On current form he could get in to the team as a batsmen alone and I would advocate doing that and bringing Buttler back, Buttler is far more reliable as a keeper and if he finds his form again then him and Bairstow could absolute wreck teams if we have a few runs on the board or equally demoralise them with a big hitting counter attack when they think they've got us on the back foot with a few wickets down.

There's space in the batting line up as there are a number of batsmen who haven't cemented their place and I'd feel a lot more confident with a keeper who you don't notice behind the stumps (ie they don't drop easy chances so you take them for granted).

But I didn't think Bairstow would come back this strongly even after sorting his technical issues out, fair play to him, if he keeps this up he could be up there with KP.

by taipan Fri 10 Jun 2016, 13:10

vilkrang wrote:
PeterCS wrote:
Basil wrote:Does everyone remember the time we all thought Bairstow was shoite?

Errr ... not everyone. We don't all jerk knees in place of judgment!

Some said: "Let's see. Lad's clearly v nervous". I did fear for him in SAfrica though, and said as much. Glad the fears were unfounded.

So too with Vince. Any call for his damnation to hellfire yet? Weak start score-wise to his Test career, but I'm not sure. I'd like to see a few more innings.

England have sprung another leak at the top of the order, though. As has been remarked on above, the supposed adventurous foil to Cook's gradual accumulation is now scoring at half his speed as well as with half his assurance. And seems to be exploring the whole range of headless ways to get out. After crawling his way to a couple of decent scores, to go back to peanuts again is not good.

btw, on subject of paying over-rehearsed, with a burden of pressure added to by yourself: Did anyone not catch Bren McC's Cowdrey lecture? A weird and wonderful listen. Strange, intense, to me at least unexpected in parts, etc.

https://www.lords.org/mcc/mcc-spirit-of-cricket/mcc-spirit-of-cricket-cowdrey-lecture/2016-brendon-mccullum/

If you can't listen, this is one person's summary: http://www.mensxp.com/sports/cricket/30978-brendon-mccullum-s-cowdrey-lecture-shows-why-he-is-one-of-the-most-respected-cricketers-of-the-last-decade.html

Don't think anyone had a knee jerk. He couldn't play the short ball and was found out time and time again, there was a technical deficiency and he didn't look like he had the technique for test cricket.

However he worked on his game, changed his technique and back lift and it had massively paid dividends.

Only problem is the amount of runs he leaks from dropped catches, On current form he could get in to the team as a batsmen alone and I would advocate doing that and bringing Buttler back, Buttler is far more reliable as a keeper and if he finds his form again then him and Bairstow could absolute wreck teams if we have a few runs on the board or equally demoralise them with a big hitting counter attack when they think they've got us on the back foot with a few wickets down.

There's space in the batting line up as there are a number of batsmen who haven't cemented their place and I'd feel a lot more confident with a keeper who you don't notice behind the stumps (ie they don't drop easy chances so you take them for granted).

But I didn't think Bairstow would come back this strongly even after sorting his technical issues out, fair play to him, if he keeps this up he could be up there with KP.

Let's calm down a bit. He has 1548 runs @ under 40.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 13:25

Education time: No one has scored more FC runs in the last year. If he keeps that up he'll be up there with anyone.

I was obviously not referring to his career record which I mentioned in my post and which I have lambasted in the past.

But in the last year he has been incredible, time will tell as to whether it's a purple patch but if he plays at close to this level then he'd walk in to any team as a batsman and therefore there's easily enough room for Buttler.

by taipan Fri 10 Jun 2016, 13:31

vilkrang wrote:Education time: No one has scored more FC runs in the last year. If he keeps that up he'll be up there with anyone.

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Didn't both Hick and Ramps get a 100 tons.

by horace Fri 10 Jun 2016, 13:47

skully wrote:
Henry wrote:Compton will be gone barring a second innings 50+, and Vince doesn't look all that convincing either. He looks a bit lazy to be honest with his footwork.

Bring back iRon.

odd that England's best in a generation bat is sidelined

by Henry Fri 10 Jun 2016, 13:51

horace wrote:
skully wrote:
Henry wrote:Compton will be gone barring a second innings 50+, and Vince doesn't look all that convincing either. He looks a bit lazy to be honest with his footwork.

Bring back iRon.

odd that England's best in a generation bat is sidelined

I'm pretty sure he'll be in the mix for the winter tours, considering it's in the Sub Continent and he's one of England's better players of spin.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 13:59

taipan wrote:
vilkrang wrote:Education time: No one has scored more FC runs in the last year. If he keeps that up he'll be up there with anyone.

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Didn't both Hick and Ramps get a 100 tons.

More education: test matches are first class matches where Bairstow has scored a bulk of the runs in question.

by Brass Monkey Fri 10 Jun 2016, 14:03

vilkrang wrote:
taipan wrote:
vilkrang wrote:Education time: No one has scored more FC runs in the last year. If he keeps that up he'll be up there with anyone.

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Didn't both Hick and Ramps get a 100 tons.
More education: test matches are first class matches where Bairstow has scored a bulk of the runs in question.

10 Tests, 839 runs @ 64.54

Tis OK, IMO.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 14:05

Quite, hence me saying if he keeps it up he could get in the team as a batsman. Not rocket science but I suppose some things aren't obvious to everyone.

Away from the basics of English comprehension, Lankans have been done again by DRS there I think. Don't think it works very well with spinners, that looked plumb.

by skully Fri 10 Jun 2016, 14:13

Go, Jonny, go.

by taipan Fri 10 Jun 2016, 14:51

vilkrang wrote:Quite, hence me saying if he keeps it up he could get in the team as a batsman. Not rocket science but I suppose some things aren't obvious to everyone.

Away from the basics of English comprehension, Lankans have been done again by DRS there I think. Don't think it works very well with spinners, that looked plumb.

No one is saying that he couldn't make the team as a batsmen, given the train wreck od some of the top order. However saying he could be up with KP is a tad premature.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 15:36

The proviso was that he keeps up his current form (which if you read my post is what I said). Being premature is irrelevant, he will either keep up his form or he won't.

If he does then he'll be up there.

Again, not rocket science.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 15:38

Oh and he's dropped another one. We really do need Buttler back with Bairstow carrying on as a batsman.

by taipan Fri 10 Jun 2016, 15:42

vilkrang wrote:The proviso was that he keeps up his current form (which if you read my post is what I said). Being premature is irrelevant, he will either keep up his form or he won't.

If he does then he'll be up there.

Again, not rocket science.

Hence my comment to calm down. And yes he should play as a batsman because he's a frigging awful keeper.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 15:59

by PeterCS Fri 10 Jun 2016, 17:54

I agree (before the latest drop) if Bluey's lad is expected to start carrying the weight of the middle/late-middle order, he doesn't need to be keeping as well. #5 or #6 would be more obvious.

by Guest Fri 10 Jun 2016, 19:33

He can't keep if he keeps dropping clangers, doesn't matter if he keeps this form up for the rest of his career, his keeping is going to cost us a test match at some point if he doesn't improve and I don't see any indication of that happening.

Get Buttler back, keep Bairstow as a batsman. Buttler is too talented to just ignore and there's space for a batsman at the moment so now would be the ideal time to trial having both of them playing with Buttler keeping.

And if Bairstow kicks up a fuss then Strauss should kick him out, after all no one is bigger than the team, regardless of talent. If that's the line he's started with then he has to have the gumption to follow it through.

Hopefully it won't come to that of course.

Anyway, looks like we might finally have a 5 day test match. Might pop to Lords for the final day if it comes to that, was treated to a fantastic last day at HQ last year against NZ.

by skully Fri 10 Jun 2016, 22:52

So Jonny undid some of his great work with the bat with some poor catching, ay? Oh well.

Nice start by Lanka in their response.

by Basil Sat 11 Jun 2016, 00:06

So, Steve Finn then, strapped into the ejector seat alongside Nick Compton?

I suspect his problem is that he is susceptible to the mutterings of coaches. If someone with the appropriate qualifications told him that he would be a better bowler if he ran up with a frying pan on his head, Finny would at least give the suggestion some serious thought.

Time for him to go back to Middlesex and just bowl. He is ridiculously talented and we can't give up on him for ever. After all, it did take Bob Willis six years to take his first 100 wickets in test cricket.

by Bradman Sat 11 Jun 2016, 01:53

He doesn't crab it either.

by tricycle Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:19

Undone a lot of yesterday's good work in fifteen minutes.

by skully Sat 11 Jun 2016, 11:21

Aye, a poor start to Day 3 for Lanka.

by skully Sat 11 Jun 2016, 12:55

Follow-on almost avoided.

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