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Holding refuses to acknowledge T20 as cricket
Antigua: Former West Indies great and legendary fast bowler Michael Holding refused to call Twenty20 format a cricket saying he did not watch a single match at the just concluded World Cup in the Carribean.
"Not one ball. I don't watch Twenty20. It is dumbing-down cricket. They should find another name for it," said Holding. The 56 year old Jamaican also have come down critically on West Indies all-rounder Keiren Pollard terming him as not being a cricketer.
"Pollard in my opinion is not a cricketer," Holding told The Times. The 25 year old Pollard who is the costliest player in the IPL, failed miserabely in the just concluded T20 world Cup and is yet to make a Test debut for the Carribean side.
Holding also came down strongly on the cricket boards and the International Cricket Council for not guiding the youngsters and said players are only chasing easy money.
"I can't say to a young man 'don't make a living', but they need responsible guidance," he said.
"It is your parents who guide you and in cricket the parents are the boards and the ICC. They need to show some leadership,'' Holding added.
"Not one ball. I don't watch Twenty20. It is dumbing-down cricket. They should find another name for it," said Holding. The 56 year old Jamaican also have come down critically on West Indies all-rounder Keiren Pollard terming him as not being a cricketer.
"Pollard in my opinion is not a cricketer," Holding told The Times. The 25 year old Pollard who is the costliest player in the IPL, failed miserabely in the just concluded T20 world Cup and is yet to make a Test debut for the Carribean side.
Holding also came down strongly on the cricket boards and the International Cricket Council for not guiding the youngsters and said players are only chasing easy money.
"I can't say to a young man 'don't make a living', but they need responsible guidance," he said.
"It is your parents who guide you and in cricket the parents are the boards and the ICC. They need to show some leadership,'' Holding added.
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Good man, Michael 'Whispering Death' Holding.
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Always said Mikey was a wise man.
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He's cool mun.
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As a package and spectacle, I have nothing against T20. But as Mikey alleges, it is gonna fark the real game cos youngsters won't want to do the hard work to be a 4 and 5 day cricketer.
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SG wrote:Good man, Michael 'Whispering Death' Holding.
subi qunt in pretending T20 isn't importantafter his team were arseholed earlyin the tournament shocker . . . .
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Hehehe, we are fiesty today, taccy.
Got a few too many papers to mark??
Got a few too many papers to mark??
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papers to mark?
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Yes, get back to 'em. And give that lass an F that's put you in such a bad mood for not chewing on your hog like you asked.
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I'm not a teacher, skull . . .
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phurt you've taught Smerk everything he doesn't know
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Pretty much like Aussies trying to put down T20 after first 2 T20 WCs. But now that his side reached the final of this year's T20 event, even Ponting the sook has gall to suggest best of 3 finals for T20 WCs.tac wrote:SG wrote:Good man, Michael 'Whispering Death' Holding.
subi qunt in pretending T20 isn't importantafter his team were arseholed earlyin the tournament shocker . . . .
So tac getting his/her knickers in twist again at the sight of a bannie? Nothing has changed then.
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Yeah, yeah. Next you'll be telling us your a rich man who lived in Tahiti for a while.tac wrote:I'm not a teacher, skull . . .
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skully wrote:Yeah, yeah. Next you'll be telling us your a rich man who lived in Tahiti for a while.
red wrote:YOU'RE
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Meh. It's the throat that conts.
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SG wrote:Pretty much like Aussies trying to put down T20 after first 2 T20 WCs. But now that his side reached the final of this year's T20 event, even Ponting the sook has gall to suggest best of 3 finals for T20 WCs.tac wrote:SG wrote:Good man, Michael 'Whispering Death' Holding.
subi qunt in pretending T20 isn't importantafter his team were arseholed earlyin the tournament shocker . . . .
So tac getting his/her knickers in twist again at the sight of a bannie? Nothing has changed then.
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Michael Holding for czar of world cricket!
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Damn straight, Hass. Except he lost a little of his gloss when he allowed the committee he was part of introduce the "15 degrees equals straight" rule
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Holding speaks sense.
Mind you, I can't see 'sh!t cricket' catching on as a name for it.
Mind you, I can't see 'sh!t cricket' catching on as a name for it.
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Zat wrote:Holding speaks sense.
Mind you, I can't see 'sh!t cricket' catching on as a name for it.
How about "shicket"?
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Holding proving yet again that he's a top bloke. Always respected what he achieved as a bowler, my respect grew for him when he walked out on the ICC after the Pakistan abandoned test fiasco and my respect has grown here yet again.
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I agree with a lot of the points Mikey makes but he does have a tendency to really tear down his own players (perhaps seeing the current lot lose game after game is the cause of this).
Calling a man who averages nearly 40 in FC cricket 'not a cricketer' is a tad outrageous and sounds like something Mikey would say just after Windies have found yet another way to lose a match they should have won.
By all means cuss T20 and the effect it may have on youngsters, but the man is an arsehole of the highest orfer for making it so personal and targeting Pollard. I expect him to show more class than that.
Calling a man who averages nearly 40 in FC cricket 'not a cricketer' is a tad outrageous and sounds like something Mikey would say just after Windies have found yet another way to lose a match they should have won.
By all means cuss T20 and the effect it may have on youngsters, but the man is an arsehole of the highest orfer for making it so personal and targeting Pollard. I expect him to show more class than that.
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T20 is the best form of the game because Pakistan have the best win loss ration including the world championship in 2009.
Test cricket is obviously the worst form of the game.
Test cricket is obviously the worst form of the game.
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Spanky refers to Holding's concerns in his latest offering.
What golden age of cricket?
22 May 2010
Peter Roebuck
MICHAEL Holding’s remark that Kieron Pollard is not yet a proper cricketer and Gary Kirsten’s comment that he is fitter than many of his younger players confirm the concerns held by many elders about the state of the game, and especially the distortions caused by the Twenty20 craze.
It’s a mistake to glorify the past. To talk about a golden age of cricket occurring 100 years ago is to forget that players were paid a pittance. Then England could be captained only by a toff, West Indies and South Africa by a white man, Sri Lanka by a blue- y a member of a gymkhana.
It was not such a beautiful world. Nowadays the game is open to all sections. Not that mankind has improved — there is precious little evidence of that. But communications, transport and money mean that cricket is no longer the preserve of the privileged.
On the field, too, there is little to regret. Scoring rates are faster, facilities better, results more common and the full range of skills are explored, even expanded. Black, white and brown mix, Muslims and Christians share a room, and rich and poor play in the same team.
Inevitably there are lots of headaches. Cricket inherited all the fractiousness of the empire and its aftermath, including border disputes, rivalries and resentments. Newly independent nations have followed a dialectical path from conservatism to radicalism and towards a more self-defining strategy.
Cricket survived these challenges because it long ago stopped being an imposition and became a popular recreation. Every country began to play by its own lights. Crucially, though, the core remained constant. Test matches remained the highest form of the game. Other formats might bring glory, but it alone gave greatness its platform — and it was taken for granted that every player accepted this verdict.
Never has that blithe assumption been put under such pressure. In refusing to salute Pollard as a finished product, Holding is asserting traditional values (home truths, as others might call them). Pollard is rich and famous, has played for Trinidad, South Australia and the Mumbai Indians. Wherever he goes he is feted. An imposing figure, he catches flies, clears stands and takes wickets. Yet he bats down the list even in 20-over matches and has never played Test cricket. He has only skimmed the surface of the game.
Can Pollard concentrate? Can he score runs against penetrating bowling or survive on dodgy pitches? Can he remove skilful batsmen with time on their side? Can he play off the back foot? But there is a more disconcerting question. Do the answers matter any longer? That is the crux. Can the game survive as a whimsy? Is the ordeal not a big part of it? Empires can be destroyed by self-indulgence.
Or take the young Indians, whose dedication has been questioned by their own coach. Indian cricket has been uplifted by a group of seniors of high calibre. They deserve better than India dished up in the Caribbean. But it is not easy to put old heads on young shoulders. These youngsters are living the high life. They can make a fortune without pushing themselves
Who is to tell Ishant Sharma and company that talent is to be nurtured? All of them are wealthy, but has one among them made the grade?
Kirsten’s complaint cuts to the quick. Usually complacency is a vice of the established. In a trice it has infected youth. Is it stupid to believe that happiness lies with fulfilment, not power and purse? Obviously the ANC Youth League does not agree, but that is the voice of luxury
Nor is South Africa immune. JP Duminy, Wayne Parnell and now David Miller face choices unknown to previous generations. Never has the culture of the community and the grounding of the individual mattered as much. Did these youngsters dream of wealth only, and all that comes with it? Those endless childhood matches — what were they about? The dream is precious, and easily corrupted.
Youth is not better or worse than before. Last summer, a colleague asked how to raise his 16-year-old. I advised him to write a book if he ever found out, as it is bound to be a best-seller. Shakespeare said that the ages between 14 and 23 ought to be ignored as they consist entirely of drinking, fighting and wenching.
Cricket has not altered that much either. The battle between bat and ball endures, quality is the key. In both areas, the basics stay the same.
But the experience of youth in cricket has changed beyond measure, and that ought to be addressed. Youngsters need to be told that cricket is a life not a lifestyle, otherwise they will never become the cricketers they were supposed to be — or the men.
What golden age of cricket?
22 May 2010
Peter Roebuck
MICHAEL Holding’s remark that Kieron Pollard is not yet a proper cricketer and Gary Kirsten’s comment that he is fitter than many of his younger players confirm the concerns held by many elders about the state of the game, and especially the distortions caused by the Twenty20 craze.
It’s a mistake to glorify the past. To talk about a golden age of cricket occurring 100 years ago is to forget that players were paid a pittance. Then England could be captained only by a toff, West Indies and South Africa by a white man, Sri Lanka by a blue- y a member of a gymkhana.
It was not such a beautiful world. Nowadays the game is open to all sections. Not that mankind has improved — there is precious little evidence of that. But communications, transport and money mean that cricket is no longer the preserve of the privileged.
On the field, too, there is little to regret. Scoring rates are faster, facilities better, results more common and the full range of skills are explored, even expanded. Black, white and brown mix, Muslims and Christians share a room, and rich and poor play in the same team.
Inevitably there are lots of headaches. Cricket inherited all the fractiousness of the empire and its aftermath, including border disputes, rivalries and resentments. Newly independent nations have followed a dialectical path from conservatism to radicalism and towards a more self-defining strategy.
Cricket survived these challenges because it long ago stopped being an imposition and became a popular recreation. Every country began to play by its own lights. Crucially, though, the core remained constant. Test matches remained the highest form of the game. Other formats might bring glory, but it alone gave greatness its platform — and it was taken for granted that every player accepted this verdict.
Never has that blithe assumption been put under such pressure. In refusing to salute Pollard as a finished product, Holding is asserting traditional values (home truths, as others might call them). Pollard is rich and famous, has played for Trinidad, South Australia and the Mumbai Indians. Wherever he goes he is feted. An imposing figure, he catches flies, clears stands and takes wickets. Yet he bats down the list even in 20-over matches and has never played Test cricket. He has only skimmed the surface of the game.
Can Pollard concentrate? Can he score runs against penetrating bowling or survive on dodgy pitches? Can he remove skilful batsmen with time on their side? Can he play off the back foot? But there is a more disconcerting question. Do the answers matter any longer? That is the crux. Can the game survive as a whimsy? Is the ordeal not a big part of it? Empires can be destroyed by self-indulgence.
Or take the young Indians, whose dedication has been questioned by their own coach. Indian cricket has been uplifted by a group of seniors of high calibre. They deserve better than India dished up in the Caribbean. But it is not easy to put old heads on young shoulders. These youngsters are living the high life. They can make a fortune without pushing themselves
Who is to tell Ishant Sharma and company that talent is to be nurtured? All of them are wealthy, but has one among them made the grade?
Kirsten’s complaint cuts to the quick. Usually complacency is a vice of the established. In a trice it has infected youth. Is it stupid to believe that happiness lies with fulfilment, not power and purse? Obviously the ANC Youth League does not agree, but that is the voice of luxury
Nor is South Africa immune. JP Duminy, Wayne Parnell and now David Miller face choices unknown to previous generations. Never has the culture of the community and the grounding of the individual mattered as much. Did these youngsters dream of wealth only, and all that comes with it? Those endless childhood matches — what were they about? The dream is precious, and easily corrupted.
Youth is not better or worse than before. Last summer, a colleague asked how to raise his 16-year-old. I advised him to write a book if he ever found out, as it is bound to be a best-seller. Shakespeare said that the ages between 14 and 23 ought to be ignored as they consist entirely of drinking, fighting and wenching.
Cricket has not altered that much either. The battle between bat and ball endures, quality is the key. In both areas, the basics stay the same.
But the experience of youth in cricket has changed beyond measure, and that ought to be addressed. Youngsters need to be told that cricket is a life not a lifestyle, otherwise they will never become the cricketers they were supposed to be — or the men.
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