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Post by Red Sat 31 Jul 2010, 04:30

A force of nature vs a natural
31 Jul 2010
Peter Roebuck

SACHIN Tendulkar’s latest Test double hundred has prompted even more garlands for the audacious youngster turned classical sage.

Most particularly it has renewed debate about his standing in the game. Of course he is an important figure. Already he has scored 94 centuries in international cricket and, injuries permitting, few doubt that he will attain three figures.

It is a mind boggling achievement. Where, though, does he stand amongst the exalted. Don Bradman belonged in a category of his own. After all he averaged 35 more per innings than any contemporary. That brooks no augment. A fairer comparison is with that other master of the last 50 years, Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards.

Richards and Tendulkar expressed their prodigious talent in different ways that reflected different dispositions; one a force of nature, the other a natural. Apart from the runs they scored and a slightly amused willingness to try their hand at various bowling styles, they have little in common.

Richards made his presence felt with urgings and a hauteur defined by a nose that might have belonged to an eagle. His involvement was passionate and pointed. Always it was personal, always it was about something: a neglected island, a scorned people, a disdained colour, a patronised county. Always there was a certain wrath. Repose was not his temper. Consider his highest moments, the onslaught in ’76 after Tony Greig said he wanted to make the West Indians grovel, the attacks on Bob Willis, whose supposedly belittling remarks of years ago remained in his mind. Richards could not bat to score runs; the practice itself was not enough. There had to be a reason.

Tendulkar has never been an avenging angel. It is hard to remember him losing his temper. Always he wants to bring down his opponents, but it is never personal or nationalistic. He has always been comfortable in his own skin and country and team and colour and creed. Richards came to cricket with causes, for Tendulkar cricket is the cause.

Even their walks onto the field were different. Richards used to wait in the rooms till the departing man had almost left the field. Perhaps he had been snoozing in the rooms — never sleeping for he was too wary for that. Deep inside he felt that the world was against him and his kind. He’d stir himself, dance a few steps trying to get a sweat up. Eventually he’d put on his cap and gloves and head erect and mouth chewing gum, walk onto the field with a defiant swagger. It was an entrance.

Tendulkar practises no such arts, does not turn a park into a battleground. It is enough for him that cricket is a game, his favourite game. He does not need anything else. The most underestimated thing about him has been his longevity, his constancy. Has any cricketer changed less? Throughout 20 years of intense pressure and unrelenting exposure he has retained his delight. Remaining simple is damnably difficult. To an extraordinary extent he bats the same way and plays for the same reasons as in his youth. It’s not that he has failed to grow up; just that from the outset he saw the game in its true light. Always it has been an end in itself.

Richards and Tendulkar also used the bat differently. In Richards’s hand it was not a tool, but a weapon. The niceties were not for him. He did not dwell upon technique. Despairing of his form, Eldine Baptiste once came to seek his advice. Hours later he left much uplifted and with tears in his eyes. Richards did not say anything about cricket, instead told him what it means to be a man. To him cricket was a game of character not feet and elbow.

His batting was mostly instinctive. In 1973 he emerged as a lithe back-foot player with a compelling cut and a thunderous straight drive. He made it look easy and partners were inspired. Adapting to English conditions, within two years he was stepping forward and across his stumps and flicking anything within reach through mid-wicket, or else pulled it off his chest. This was a time of youth and eye and conquest. Towards the end, not trusting himself quite as much, still wearing a cap but slower of reflex, he began to play more towards extra-cover, even began to give himself time to settle. Of course he could defend. A masterly hundred compiled against Derek Underwood on a crumbling county pitch lingers in the memory. It was an essay in skill.

Tendulkar has been a polished player, in command of himself, contemplative yet rarely hesitant, stylish yet not giving style more than its due. He is a purist, a cricketer capable of giving himself so completely to his activity that it becomes him. Richards was a performer, the Indian is a player. And he immerses himself without conscious effort. He does not need to force himself to focus; it is part of his essence. Hence he scores as many runs in minor matches as on the great stages. It does not take an occasion to rouse him. He is stimulated by the activity itself.

Richards’s bat was an expression of his personality; Tendulkar’s willow is an extension of his being. His technique is well nigh flawless, yet it is not the product of supreme dedication. According to the coaches of his youth, he could play all the shots correctly without instruction. From the start he understood the advantages obtained from precise strokeplay, realised that he could bat longer and score more runs by these means. And he found he could reproduce the shots that existed in his mind without undue difficulty. Natural and classical were interwoven at birth.

Of course, it is idle to compare sportsmen from different eras. Suffice it to say that Richards has been the most withering, charismatic and exciting batsman to appear in the last 40 years. Suffice it to say that Tendulkar has been both the most productive and loveliest to watch. Tendulkar, though, has had much more on his plate, the expectations of millions, the match-fixing scandal, the raising of a family. He has lasted the course better than anyone could reasonably have expected. All things consi­dered, he has been the best of them all (excepting Bradman). No one has scored more hundreds in the highest company and no one has given more pleasure. To watch a Tendulkar straight drive is to observe the attainment of an ideal.
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Post by skully Sat 31 Jul 2010, 06:36

Interesting that Spanky doesn't even mention Lara in the article, but instead goes for a comparison of SRT and Sir Viv.

Little doubt that TLM is a genius and a great of the game, but I find it hard to rate him in front of Lara.
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Post by Bradman Sat 31 Jul 2010, 06:41

Lara, Tendulkar and Richards. I know which one I'd want to see bat one last time on my death bed and it ain't the first two.
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Post by jim rich Sat 31 Jul 2010, 10:17

Of course, it is idle to compare sportsmen from different eras.
There is much wisdom in that statement. Roebuck should have befriended it before writing the article. Which doesn't mean it wasn't worth reading, only that a comparison of contemporaries - such as Brian Lara - may have given it more meaning and credibility.

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Post by tac Sat 31 Jul 2010, 10:26

Spanky is trying to suck a bit of subi c*ck and, therefore, needs to avoid a comparison with Lara . .. coz such a comparison will always favour BCL . . .
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Post by jim rich Sat 31 Jul 2010, 10:32

tac wrote:Spanky is trying to suck a bit of subi c*ck and, therefore, needs to avoid a comparison with Lara . .. coz such a comparison will always favour BCL . . .
How so, maan? Surely you've looked at the stats. You must know something the Don didn't.

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Post by The One Sat 31 Jul 2010, 10:42

tendulkar is still playing and is in no ways finished as a batsman. a fairer comparison can only be made a year or two after he retires. in 5-6 years i think most people will value him even higher than they do now

like most players the passage of time gives you a more favourable view, as you tend to remember the highlights and not the last poor run of form. richards for the last 2/3rds of his career had a very poor run, but most remember his starting third

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Post by skully Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:15

Aye, rather odd choice of comparison (although I think your "2/3rds" is a bit of a massive exaggeration, TO), but I think taccy hit it on the head.
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Post by Henry Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:20

Richards wasn't as good towards the end of his career as Sachin has been.
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Post by tac Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:27

Don't Richards cared as much about records . . .
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Post by Henry Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:29

What makes you think Tendulkar cares about records? Just because he's broken a shitload of them........
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Post by Gary 111 Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:35

Spanky didn't even rate Richards as good enough for a Somerset XI. What an astute judge of a cricketer he was.
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Post by skully Sat 31 Jul 2010, 11:38

IVAR played 121 Tests, so let's say 40 Tests is the 1st 3rd.

1st 3rd - 3629 runs at 60.48 with 11 x 100s, HS 291
Last 2/3rds - 4911 runs at 44.64 with 13 x 100s, HS 208.

Certainly not as potent but not too shabby. He made the 208 in his 71st Test and only scored another 3 tons in the remaining 50 Tests.
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Post by Gary 111 Sat 31 Jul 2010, 12:06

Tendulkar practises no such arts, does not turn a park into a battleground. It is enough for him that cricket is a game, his favourite game. He does not need anything else. The most underestimated thing about him has been his longevity, his constancy. Has any cricketer changed less? Throughout 20 years of intense pressure and unrelenting exposure he has retained his delight. Remaining simple is damnably difficult. To an extraordinary extent he bats the same way and plays for the same reasons as in his youth. It’s not that he has failed to grow up; just that from the outset he saw the game in its true light. Always it has been an end in itself.

I disagree with this bit.

As usual from Roebuck this is a poor article. When he's not rabbiting on about some perceived collapse of civilisation in England he tends to write patronising articles such as this, where he makes a very simple observation - e.g. Tendulakr and Richards were both good players, and presents it as if he has made some great earth-shattering revelation.

He mentions how Richards had one apporach to batting and never seemed to over-complicate the game, but he then fails to draw the conclusion that it is Tendulkar's extraordinary ability to analyse and modify his game that has led to his longevity.

Tendulkar has changed his batting style many times over the last 20 years, the way he plays certain shots, his address at the crease, his mindset at times. For example his extraordinary innings at Sydney of 248* at the end of a poor tour where he decided to completely remove shots in front of the wicket on the off-side, an innings that was a masterpiece of patience and temprament so different to the dasher of youthful times.

Another example of how Tendulkar can change his game according to the circumstance was India's tour of South Africa in 1996/7. In the first Test at Durban he was cleaned up by Donald and Pollock cheaply in both innings. He found his usual front foot press at delivery meant he didn't have time to adjust to the pace of the quick, bouncy South African wickets. I played a bit of cricket with Vikram Rathour, the Indian wicket-keeper at the time, and Vikram mentioned how Tendulkar was still struggling with this at Cape Town, and decided to completely change his batting stance to a back foot press during a break in play. Ten minutes in the dressing room experimenting with his feet and balance and he was ready to go. Vikram himself tried to make a similar change to his batting style later in his career, and said it took a season of poor scores before he felt comfortable in the transition. Tendulkar though, often looked like he was playing a different game to his contemporaries - and he went on to smash 169 from 254 balls against Donald and Pollock at their most terrifying with his new back-foot press.
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Post by skully Sat 31 Jul 2010, 12:08

Nice analysis, Gaz, and spot on about the Spankster. He's a qunt that has little respect in this country.
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Post by Henry Sat 31 Jul 2010, 12:12

Well he's actually considered Australia's number one cricket writer. Quite a lot of people like his articles in this country.
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Post by skully Sat 31 Jul 2010, 12:17

Fark off, Trev. I'm sure taips would like to see where that has been quoted?? snigger
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Post by Henry Sat 31 Jul 2010, 12:20

I've heard the words "Australia's most respected cricket writer" used a few times. He's hot and cold, spanky. Some of his articles are pretty good, and others are complete rubbish. Depends which publication and audience he's writing for.......
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Post by skully Sat 31 Jul 2010, 12:39

Now now, Trev, you are being very selective tonight, mate. You've been having a discussion about Colly's allegation that Aus's pace attack is no. 1 with taips on the grounds of a lack of actual quotes. I'm just applying the same standard. Cool

I've heard ABC "advertise" Spanky as "Australia's leading cricket writer", but that's like saying Kerry O'Brien is Australia's leading political commentator. snigger
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Post by JGK Sat 31 Jul 2010, 13:31

skully wrote:Interesting that Spanky doesn't even mention Lara in the article, but instead goes for a comparison of SRT and Sir Viv.

Little doubt that TLM is a genius and a great of the game, but I find it hard to rate him in front of Lara.

Let alone sobers, Chappell, sunny and Ponting.

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Post by Paul Keating Sat 31 Jul 2010, 16:20

so no murali, and a flat pitch. How stupid can people be? Creaming one's pants over this is pathetic.
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Post by skully Sun 01 Aug 2010, 00:27

It's Spanky's favorite thing.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Sun 01 Aug 2010, 00:34

How did Roebuck ever acquire the nickname, "Spanky"?
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Post by skully Sun 01 Aug 2010, 00:43

It's a Bails thing, Smerks. He has a "reputation" as being a kiddy-fiddling sexual deviant who likes a bit of a spanking, apparently.
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Post by tac Sun 01 Aug 2010, 00:47

A bit like Nigel . . .
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