Re: Freedom of speech.

by Invader Zim Tue 27 Nov 2007, 06:17

So you think Asian people shouldn't vote either?

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 06:19

I leave you to extrapolate what you will from my comments . . .

by horace Tue 27 Nov 2007, 06:35

hairless and clueless 'v' scrupleless

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 06:54

filosofee wrote:
Lara Lara Laughs wrote:I'm playing devil's advocate by the way but I think you miss the point.

It's perfectly possible that Griffin speaking and inciting racial hatred will cause a racially motivated attack. It does not have to result in death, it may just result in destroying a person's life. In fact, I read an article yesterday that said:

Ms Guthrie - National Campaigner for the group Unite Against Fascism - said there had also been a rise in racial attacks whenever Nick Griffin's BNP party gained seats on local councils.

So there is a link between the BNP and racially motivated violence. It's not purely speculative. Whereas someone campaigning against the BNP attacking and killing Griffin is highly unlikely.

BNP seats, in wards, are increasing. Allowing its leader to speak exposes what he's really about and may reduce the number of people joining this party.

The BNP uses peoples fears and anger at what they feel is having no voice.

We have BNP councillors in Kirklees, read this http://www.thepressnewspaper.co.uk/TheForum.asp letters page and the Ed Lines too to get an idea of what they can use when some people feel ignored. I get the feeling sometimes some people on here post from ivory towers......

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 07:15

horace wrote:hairless and clueless 'v' scrupleless

I think that just about sums it up . . .

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 07:24

Hair or scruples, hair or scruples........ what a decision........

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 07:25

Stick with me, Stiffy . . . scruples are very over-rated.

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:01

Are you offering me hair then, Big Jack?

by mynah Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:02

tac wrote:Stick with me, Stiffy . . . scruples are very over-rated.

Some people think they're oral contraceptives.

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:02

eowyn wrote:Are you offering me hair then, Big Jack?

I have a full head of lovely light brown hair . . . going a touch grey . . .

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:11

You make yourself sound like Sebastian fflyte........

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:12

More like Charles Ryder . . .

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:17

Inwardly exploring us all are you?

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:19

No, just a melancholy loner with an artisitic bent and a taste for catholic minge . . .

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:22

and will there be a happy ending?

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:25

Bound to be . . . only those who fear tragedy in literature turn to cheap melodrama in real life.

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:30

Hope is eternal, thanks to Pandora's box......

Are there some great pieces of literature that leave you feeling there is no hope?

by Anniyan Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:31

They should also invite and Abu Hamza and co and leave them to have a "Debate" with BNP and Co. That is fair and I'll even pay to see the live debate!

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 08:39

eowyn wrote:Hope is eternal, thanks to Pandora's box......

Are there some great pieces of literature that leave you feeling there is no hope?

Off the top of my head, the first time I read "Winter of Our Discontent" I felt quite hopless until Ethan finds the talisman in his pocket at the end . . . also when Tony is tricked into staying in the jungle to read Dickens in A Handful of Dust brings me close to despair.

Oh, and the relationship between Paul Morel and his mother in Sons and Lovers . . . hopeless. That was probably the most painful book I've read.

by eowyn Tue 27 Nov 2007, 10:12

That's because D.H. Lawrence had a skewed reletionship with his own mother.

Actually there's a few dark works out there when you really think about it, I just tend not to.

by tac Tue 27 Nov 2007, 10:17

eowyn wrote:That's because D.H. Lawrence had a skewed reletionship with his own mother.

Actually there's a few dark works out there when you really think about it, I just tend not to.

Actually, Catcher in the Rye leaves me feeling pretty hopeless, but maybe that's just because it's such a crap (or should I say corny, it kills me) book.