England 50 overs cricket post WC

Ok, so discounting an unlikely scenario of James Tredwell leading us to WC victory - who would be your in and outs (as in retire permanently from the ODI game)

For me, Strauss would go. Will be too old if there is another WC and it may prolong his test career. I'd get Cook in there at the top of the order as the solid player. He's a much, much better performer at limited overs these days.

Tredwell, Prior, Bell, Anderson can all stick to either test cricket or in Tredders case back to the hellhole that is Kent. Bopara maybe too.... how many ODI's now? 60+

I'm unsure on Colly atm. Is this permanent form loss as in past it or just a really ropey patch? Not sure he can make the next WC but he would have a lot to offer if he still has it.

Get the Rash in as he's also a decent fielder and bat and give him time. Alex Hales to open, Jos Buttler to keep?

To definitely go for me would be Strauss, Colly, KP, Jimmy, Wright, Tredwell, and Yardy.

I don't think Colly has anything left in him, to be honest. If his eyes are going, his technique wont bail him out.

How about-

Kieswetter+
Hales/Cook as captain, seeing as he's FEC. Experience etc....
Trott
Bopara
Morgan
Hildreth
Stokes
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Rashid

Perhaps.

I'll add that Shahzad or Finn would be competing with Rashid depending on conditions. Perhaps my side is a bowler short. Shahzad or Finn for Stokes.

Why don't we just coopt Yorkshire?

Sort of think that team's not a bad one Trev, one thing I'll try to highlight again is Bresnan. He seems like a banker and talked of like he's competant. In nearly 50 ODIs he's got 49 wickets @ 36.57 - econ 5.26. Since when was this considered the new 'good'? It's a f*cking abomination.

we have 4 years to the next one. Half of that lot theat even Trev has posted will be g@sh, injured, institutionalised, herpes ridden by then!!

Brass Monkey wrote:Sort of think that team's not a bad one Trev, one thing I'll try to highlight again is Bresnan. He seems like a banker and talked of like he's competant. In nearly 50 ODIs he's got 49 wickets @ 36.57 - econ 5.26. Since when was this considered the new 'good'? It's a f*cking abomination.

He seems to have improved in the last six months. Not so many rubbish half volleys on leg stump. He also seems to have added half a yard in recent times, and he can bat decently. I think he's the type of guy who could help lead the ODI side forward in the next year or so at least.

Improved?

19 matches, 24 wickets - average of 37.54, economy of 5.34.

Uhh, yeah...

Batting? Given his position, he can hardly get it off the square unless he's come in early, due to sh!t middle-order batting, and had time to play himself in.

holcs wrote:we have 4 years to the next one. Half of that lot theat even Trev has posted will be g@sh, injured, institutionalised, herpes ridden by then!!

Yup.
Agree.

Start from scratch ... perhaps Chef as skipper with Trott as his wing man, Morgan middle order, Keiswetter keeping and Swanny the one dead cert bowler with Broadly a probable.
The rest of the places all up for grabs.

I'd stick Hales in ASAP. Why the hell not?

KP still makes my side, I'd just ask him to be totally honest and if he isn't sure restrict him to tests too.

Broad & Swann are the only 2 certs for me in the bowling. I have a lot of time for Bressie in the same way I did for Bell, but even with the impression he is improving those figures are meh.

I'd get Rashid in regardless of playing Swann and use him as an attacking option.

PeterCS wrote:Why don't we just coopt Yorkshire?

Or bring in more Saffies

I'm not convinced that KP is done with ODI cricket as I think that his pride will have been hurt by leaving the squad early in the piece.

James Taylor should also be in with a shout. Likewise Lyth and Gale.

Not convinced about Kieswetter, I don't think he's necessarily a better bet than Davies. Jos Butler anyone?

Chris Woakes won't be far away, but he would probably be an English conditions only player unless he can find another yard or two of pace.

Has everyone forgotten about Steve Finn all of a sudden - he was the fast bowling wunderkind not so long ago?

Basil wrote:
Has everyone forgotten about Steve Finn all of a sudden - he was the fast bowling wunderkind not so long ago?

Definitely not, and quite a good cricket brain - just needs to find consistency.

JKLever wrote:

Basil wrote:
Has everyone forgotten about Steve Finn all of a sudden - he was the fast bowling wunderkind not so long ago?

Definitely not, and quite a good cricket brain - just needs to find consistency.

He went better than I thought he would in the ODIs in Australia. Seemed to quite quickly "get it".

Which was a surprise, as he'd spent the Test series banging the ball in halfway down the pitch all day every day and watching in bemusement as each and every one was flogged to the boundary.

Geez Dello, you really are sh*t scared of his Mum, aren't you

Not at all - but what's the point in antagonising the situation? What's in it for you?

So are we allowed to criticise the bloke at all in the future? If he f*cks up big time for England in the next few years, and turns out to be another Luke Wright, will all negative comments about him be deleted? A dangerous road to go down......

That's not what you were doing, though.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have mentioned it as it was somewhat obvious that there'd be people on here without the restraint to mark it down as a quirky development and just let it lie.

I was just posting in the spirit that i've always assumed this forum was taken in- ie a place of ribbing and mickey taking and honest, sometimes politically incorrect and stupid comments that are occasionally offensive. I don't want to be edited because some overprotective Mummy who has (I assume) never posted on this Forum doesn't like what's being written about her little boy. She needs to deal with it really because the lad will cop much worse if he ever plays for England. She'll be fighting a losing battle to have all negative comments about her son stamped out. Oh well, the lad will probably be a famous millionaire in a couple of years time. Maybe that will be some consolation....

We had a little joke about it, which was continued by me on this thread in a subtle way, and then edited equally subtly by you. It wont be something I do all the time though. I probably will have forgotten about it all by tomorrow because my memory is sh*t.

This whole Google alerts business is a bit scary. I wonder who else is alerted when we mention their name on here......

To be honest, was there anything said that was in danger of libel?

Weren't we praising him as a potential future star?

Never mind it shall be the FB 'in-joke'.

The cricketer in question is one of England's brightest young talents. We've always known that and acknowledged that. Jokes about his appearance are probably nothing he hasn't heard before. Being a young Geordie cricketer born in NZ with red hair and dodgy teeth who's come through the ranks, i'm sure he has a pretty thick skin. I mean, he's just about made it, hasn't he.

Dello wrote:That's not what you were doing, though.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have mentioned it as it was somewhat obvious that there'd be people on here without the restraint to mark it down as a quirky development and just let it lie.

Is this the same Dello who laughed in the face of NFI's libel actions?

Henry wrote:I was just posting in the spirit that i've always assumed this forum was taken in- ie a place of ribbing and mickey taking and honest, sometimes politically incorrect and stupid comments that are occasionally offensive. I don't want to be edited because some overprotective Mummy who has (I assume) never posted on this Forum doesn't like what's being written about her little boy. She needs to deal with it really because the lad will cop much worse if he ever plays for England. She'll be fighting a losing battle to have all negative comments about her son stamped out. Oh well, the lad will probably be a famous millionaire in a couple of years time. Maybe that will be some consolation....

We had a little joke about it, which was continued by me on this thread in a subtle way, and then edited equally subtly by you. It wont be something I do all the time though. I probably will have forgotten about it all by tomorrow because my memory is sh*t.

This whole Google alerts business is a bit scary. I wonder who else is alerted when we mention their name on here......

It was uncharacteristically uncool of me to mention it. There was no issue until then. But having done so, I've probably broken some assumed code of basic human decency in setting up a well-meaning stranger as a figure of ridicule.

Just let it go. There's no value in upsetting people just because you can.

taipan wrote:

Dello wrote:That's not what you were doing, though.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have mentioned it as it was somewhat obvious that there'd be people on here without the restraint to mark it down as a quirky development and just let it lie.

Is this the same Dello who laughed in the face of NFI's libel actions?

They were funny and meaningless.

I don't even work here anymore. Do what you like.