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Post by Merlin Thu 20 Dec 2007, 21:04

JKLever wrote:Aye, sounds good.

Re - Bops - i'd echo what most have been saying here - good player picked way too early. Said it at the time he was selected too.

I'm not having this billy big bollox allrounder toss though....

Aye ... agree .. the lad was thrwn in far too early.
One day maybe (Vawn's/Bell's/Colly's/Shah's memoirs ??) we might learn the truth as to why Bop's was picked ahead of Shah.

If he was picked for his bowling ... then 25 overs in 3 tests doesn't back that theory.
If he was picked for his batting .. then IMO that was taking youth VS experience to the extreme,
and p!ssing all over the previous CC seasons batting stats.
I still maintain it has to be Vawn's myopia at Shah's "arrogance" ... and Shah refusing to give his skipper some 'light relief'.
But it's all history now!
And I'll bet Shah is quietly pleased now that he played no part in the shambles!

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Post by Henry Thu 20 Dec 2007, 21:28

Shah should definitely feature in all 7 limited-over games against NZ as well as being given Bopara's spot in the Test Matches.

Geez, we're playing 7 against the Kiwis? Can't imagine it will be a feast of high standard, cutting edge ODI cricket.
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Post by Leo Fri 21 Dec 2007, 02:13

Of course he isn't. Don't be idiotic. He should never have been picked, and blaming him for failing would be dumb.

Vaughan should be taken out and shot though. Then his body should be dismembered and his head stuck on a pike at the gates of Windsor Castle.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Fri 21 Dec 2007, 02:15

I think Ravi Bopara, should throw on some Kenny G, sacrifice a bit of lifestock then take a long salt bath while being fanned by some Bollywood beauties singing Firestarter by the Prodigy in Hindu.



He'll be Better than the Don then.
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Post by Basil Fri 21 Dec 2007, 02:29

beamer wrote:Bopara was given a tough job being thrown in here, and has proved not to be quite up to it yet - can't blame him today of course, he got an unplayable ball, but unlike the ODI game he's clearly struggled to come to terms with Test cricket.

You can't write someone off as a failure at the age of 22 though. Some people think we shouldn't even be writing off failures at 38, so he has a fair few years in which to make it!

Sage.
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Post by please don't yell Fri 21 Dec 2007, 05:23

England probably made a mistake not picking a good player of spin in shah but they would probably be making another mistake to pick bopara for a tour like this and then not give him another chance if he fails.

If they feel like he's got what it takes long term he's probably worth playing during the home summer.

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Post by Gary 111 Sun 23 Dec 2007, 21:05

From the article that Rachel posted a link to:

Instead of selection meetings taking several hours discussing possible options, Graveney’s conversations with coach Duncan Fletcher and fellow selector Geoff Miller are short enough to reflect the success gained from a settled squad and team over the last few years.

Might explain some of the recent selections.

Maybe they should find a selector that can be bothered to arrange a few of those intermidable several hour long meetings where they discuss possible options as the current streamlined process involving a brief chat, a blindfold, a telephone directory and an anal probe isn't working so well these days.
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Post by Gary 111 Sun 23 Dec 2007, 21:11

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, so is being a smug git, so...

in view of the ease Jayawardena and Sangakkara scored all their runs and Bopara in all probability getting more runs on this tour while squatting over some dark hole in the ground in the ramshackle hut round the back of the stand than he did out in the middle would it of been worth following my suggestion of picking Adil Rashid instead? Might have been too early for him but at least he could have been a viable all-rounder whereas Bopara as far as I can tell never will be.
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Post by lardbucket Sun 23 Dec 2007, 23:48

... and maybe Ramps wouldn't have been such a bad pick, either.

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Post by Basil Mon 24 Dec 2007, 07:10

Gary 111 wrote:Hindsight is a wonderful thing, so is being a smug git, so...

in view of the ease Jayawardena and Sangakkara scored all their runs and Bopara in all probability getting more runs on this tour while squatting over some dark hole in the ground in the ramshackle hut round the back of the stand than he did out in the middle would it of been worth following my suggestion of picking Adil Rashid instead? Might have been too early for him but at least he could have been a viable all-rounder whereas Bopara as far as I can tell never will be.

Nnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Look how the Sri Lankans played Monty - they would have creamed Rashid, which probably would have set his progress back by several years.
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Post by lardbucket Mon 24 Dec 2007, 15:20

Welease Wavi.

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Post by *Buckaroo* Mon 24 Dec 2007, 15:40

England needs to appoint a spin coach. I nominate Bishen Bedi.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Mon 24 Dec 2007, 15:42

I nominate Shane Warne!
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Post by *Buckaroo* Mon 24 Dec 2007, 15:47

Bishen coached Warne.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Mon 24 Dec 2007, 16:35

Well Warne can train Panesar.
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Post by chris j. Mon 24 Dec 2007, 19:15

Finished at the age of 22? A bit harsh surely.

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Post by Zat Tue 25 Dec 2007, 08:21

Ravi who?

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Post by lardbucket Tue 25 Dec 2007, 22:57

Ravi hasn't been the same since he lost his laptap

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Post by Zat Wed 26 Dec 2007, 00:58

hat og conf in Ravi?

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Post by DJ_Smerk Wed 26 Dec 2007, 01:41

Ravi Bop-Rock is GAWN, he'll come back when he's 28 i reckon.
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