Moving story- the 'black armband protest' remembered

JGK wrote:

horace wrote:

Henry wrote:Wasn't 25 years absence from international cricket 'punishment' enough?

To punish white cricketers because of the faults of their racist government is in itself a form of racism.

..it is not a question of punishment...you miss the point...and it is certainly not racism to expunge the records..it is simply recognising the realities of the past

and yes Bas perhaps the records of those who played white saffieland shd be expunged from the record books because they played a team denied black players and their records were artifically inflated

Might as well expunge all matches against India as well given that only certain castes can play for the national side.

Or the early Windies teams that only allowed a certain number of black players in the team, of whom none was allowed to be captain.

The current South African team still unofficially has a selection policy that requires a certain number of black/coloured players in the team. It just hasn't been an issue recently because the coloured players are good enough to be in the side on merit. But again, they have a side that is dictated to by government policy in regards to race ("transformation")

So let's expunge their records as well, eh?

there is a case to expunge the bannie records for the reasons of

1 religious apartheidt...still practised in the country despite law reforms
2 indian umpires in local tests until recent reforms
3 doctored bannie pitches
4 bannie bookies
5 modi
6 ipl
7 umpteen other reasons

but the laws of the bannies do not condone such dire behaviour

the difference with the Saffies was that law forbade non whites playing sport for the country...every time a pre end of apartheid Saffie team played internationsal sport gave succour to the racist murderering white supremacists...

JGK wrote:

horace wrote:

Henry wrote:Wasn't 25 years absence from international cricket 'punishment' enough?

To punish white cricketers because of the faults of their racist government is in itself a form of racism.

..it is not a question of punishment...you miss the point...and it is certainly not racism to expunge the records..it is simply recognising the realities of the past

and yes Bas perhaps the records of those who played white saffieland shd be expunged from the record books because they played a team denied black players and their records were artifically inflated

Might as well expunge all matches against India as well given that only certain castes can play for the national side.

I disagree with Horrie but this is completely different. There is no casteist policy there.

aye Tricky....


and re current saf and windies policies

there is a case for pos discrimination...how else would the saffies have persisted with snorkel...he came good eventually didn't he ..but more seriously there is a case to encourage non white representation in the national team...this might help encourage grass roots cricket and let people know cricket excellence is not just for the wealthy and priveleged private school types

why was philander denied a place so long when dills like parnell were getting a go?

windies have played a broad cross section of windies popln...not many whites are good enough to be close to breaking into the admittedly woeful windies

Philander was given a go for South Africa as a 20 year old in the ODI side, and was judged to be medium paced filth. ANd yes, skin colour had something to do with his selection at that time. Sheer weight of first class wickets gave him another chance seven years later, and the rest is history.

In one day cricket, he's still medium paced filth, though.

And isn't Wayne Parnell considered a 'coloured' player?

The Windies teams that first played test cricket in the 30s (?) were resistant to picking black players. The West Indian team was mostly made up of wealthy British Colonial expats with a few blacks to make up the numbers. George Headley had to break down all kinds of barriers to get a regular go for the Windies. There were many resistant to his selection, despite the fact that he was clearly the best batsman the region had ever produced.

true re the windies past...controlled by the gin swilling types in those days

Aye, and Headley also faced some for captaincy. They gave it to Jack Grant once ahead of him, no?
Though Lebrun Constantine scored the first recognised century for a West Indian team in the 1900s and Learie played their first test.

horace wrote:true re the windies past...controlled by the gin swilling types in those days

Yeah alright horrie, we get it. Any bitterness you perceive me as having towards the Windies is at least matched by your bitterness towards the English "gin swilling types" and their colonial history.

One of the points I'm trying to make is that two wrongs don't make a right. One of Mandela's shrewdest moves when he came to power was to keep the Springboks rugby team as it was. He allowed the white South Africans to continue enjoying their favourite sport, and take pride in its history, without political interference. He knew that if he tampered with their game, he would instantly lose their respect. Sadly, since he stepped down as President, "transformation" has become policy across the board.

Btw, are Springboks players pre-apartheid officially acknowledged these days?

horace wrote:mudge in yet another imping taips shocker..

those teams were picked on pure racial lines...the country was under the jackboot of fascists...of course those records shd be expunged...

have nothing against the pollocks or richards, barlows et al - they were wonderful players...but they were selected as they met the minimum criteria of being white

My God, you are a stupid qunt.

taipan wrote:

horace wrote:mudge in yet another imping taips shocker..

those teams were picked on pure racial lines...the country was under the jackboot of fascists...of course those records shd be expunged...

have nothing against the pollocks or richards, barlows et al - they were wonderful players...but they were selected as they met the minimum criteria of being white

My God, you are a stupid qunt.

he's not stupid ...he's just trolling ....badly

embee wrote:

taipan wrote:

horace wrote:mudge in yet another imping taips shocker..

those teams were picked on pure racial lines...the country was under the jackboot of fascists...of course those records shd be expunged...

have nothing against the pollocks or richards, barlows et al - they were wonderful players...but they were selected as they met the minimum criteria of being white

My God, you are a stupid qunt.

he's not stupid ...he's just trolling ....badly

So you agree with the qunt part.

he's a vomit ...most are

taipan wrote:

embee wrote:

taipan wrote:

horace wrote:mudge in yet another imping taips shocker..

those teams were picked on pure racial lines...the country was under the jackboot of fascists...of course those records shd be expunged...

have nothing against the pollocks or richards, barlows et al - they were wonderful players...but they were selected as they met the minimum criteria of being white

My God, you are a stupid qunt.

he's not stupid ...he's just trolling ....badly

So you agree with the qunt part.

Most redundant question ever.

might have something to do with being thumped with a baton in a protest against the 70's 'bok tour..

but people seem to have forgotten that cricket and rugby through isolation of Saffy sporting teams helped put some pressure on the saffies..

people like taips can feebly rewrite history as they please

personally I think there is a case for some positive discrimination in saffie selection...it is hard to deny the number of champs that have been produced

I hope the baton wielder was charged

Spoiler:

hehehe...did have to wear these for a few days

Embee I can understand where your sympathies are - living in Perth as you do

embee wrote:I hope the baton wielder was charged

Spoiler:

Explains the brain damaged posts.

Terrible wind-up from horace - he must have been bored.

Horriefied! @ concept of Horrie bored.

lardbucket wrote:Horriefied! @ concept of Horrie bored.

Change the Kero bath for Sulphuric Acid. That will get him focused.

Zimbots at it again
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/604199.html

Brass Monkey wrote:Terrible wind-up from horace - he must have been bored.

at my age...ennui is a dire prospect

horace wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:Terrible wind-up from horace - he must have been bored.

at my age...ennui is a dire prospect

I hear that prunes help for that.

don't need it...if there is a blokage happening some where in the system I read taips posts while eating jindi cheese

this creates my own "moving story"








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