Australia v New Zealand, 3rd Test, Adelaide, 27 Nov - 1 Dec, 2015

And a belated congrats to Aus for surviving a heinous JGK woof.

Aye. That was the most meritorious aspect of the win.

skully wrote:And a belated congrats to Aus for surviving a heinous JGK woof.

it was ****** close though

we know who to blame if starcs foot get worse

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

skully wrote:And a belated congrats to Aus for surviving a heinous JGK woof.

it was ****** close though

we know who to blame if starcs foot get worse

Darren Lehmann and Steve Smith for sending him out to bat in the first innings to face a barrage of Boult Yorkers?

Henry wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

skully wrote:And a belated congrats to Aus for surviving a heinous JGK woof.

it was ****** close though

we know who to blame if starcs foot get worse

Darren Lehmann and Steve Smith for sending him out to bat in the first innings to face a barrage of Boult Yorkers?

No. Usually .most things are Skullys fault. In this case it is JGK. Of course some blame Skully for Mr K.

As always, I calls it like I sees it.

We blame Skully for your dark powers

JGK wrote:As always, I calls it like I sees it.

you needs glasses

Supposedly this was the highest ever crowd at a non-Ashes test at Adelaide.

horace wrote:Expect the sheep  will  towel  uss up in Feb.

They can be disappointing when they're overdogs though.

Koo was talking up his chances of making the Snoozy tour. He reckons his foot will heal and he'll avoid ankle surgery to speed up recovery.

skully wrote:Koo was talking up his chances of making the Snoozy tour. He reckons his foot will heal and he'll avoid ankle surgery to speed up recovery.

but didn't his ankle problem cause his foot problem?

Nath wrote:

skully wrote:Koo was talking up his chances of making the Snoozy tour. He reckons his foot will heal and he'll avoid ankle surgery to speed up recovery.

but didn't his ankle problem cause his foot problem?

Does he have an IPL contract?

taipan wrote:

Nath wrote:

skully wrote:Koo was talking up his chances of making the Snoozy tour. He reckons his foot will heal and he'll avoid ankle surgery to speed up recovery.

but didn't his ankle problem cause his foot problem?

Does he have an IPL contract?

probably. and there's a T20 World Cup coming up

Do any of you put Starc's injury down to him being over-bowled in the previous test and that weakening him at all?

I thought at the time, given his history of being relatively physically fragile and the fact he's a big guy at 6 ft 8 and bowls like the wind, that Smith kept him on far too long (it was during his 160kph, allegedly, spell). Toward the back end of that spell his pace dropped off and he was beginning to spray it about (signs of fatigue surely). It didn't help that Mitch J and the others weren't offering much - but it seemed a bit naive to me. Young captain with no senior pro on hand to offer up a bit of advice perhaps? Or am I being too harsh.

Agree. The SF has a bit to learn.

Bowling long spells onthe waca concrete would not have helped.

Not sure if this has been mentioned but in the Lyon palaver, the Hawkeye shot is the wrong shot - he actually hits the ball to leg in that shot @4.34.

I see that the steaming pile of dogshit otherwise known as the ICC have seen fit to issue a statement criticising Llong for making an incorrect "judgement" decision.

I trust they will make a similar statement every time an umpire gets a decision wrong.

taipan wrote:I see that the steaming pile of dogshit otherwise known as the ICC have seen fit to issue a statement criticising Llong for making an incorrect "judgement" decision.

I trust they will make a similar statement every time an umpire gets a decision wrong.

So you now admit that Llong got the decision wrong?

Seeing this footage again, I still can;t believe he gave it not out. Forget the mark on hotspot from every different angle- At 3.24 in the video you can clearly see the ball change course after hitting the bat. I honestly don't think Llong was looking at the screen at the time this was played.

Whichever way you look at it, it was extreme incompetence.

Henry wrote:

taipan wrote:I see that the steaming pile of dogshit otherwise known as the ICC have seen fit to issue a statement criticising Llong for making an incorrect "judgement" decision.

I trust they will make a similar statement every time an umpire gets a decision wrong.

So you now admit that Llong got the decision wrong?

Seeing this footage again, I still can;t believe he gave it not out. Forget the mark on hotspot from every different angle- At 3.24 in the video you can clearly see the ball change course after hitting the bat. I honestly don't think Llong was looking at the screen at the time this was played.

Whichever way you look at it, it was extreme incompetence.

No, wtf did you see that?

You clearly do not understand the protocols that even the arseholes at ICC say he got right.

So you also agree that it is correct for the ICC to hang an employee out to dry? Do you think it is a dangerous precedent? Why wasn't the onfield ump who also got a judgement decision wrong not also castigated? Why haven't the ICC previously criticized umpires who get judgement decisions wrong?

So many questions, so little time.

taipan wrote:

Henry wrote:

taipan wrote:I see that the steaming pile of dogshit otherwise known as the ICC have seen fit to issue a statement criticising Llong for making an incorrect "judgement" decision.

I trust they will make a similar statement every time an umpire gets a decision wrong.

So you now admit that Llong got the decision wrong?

Seeing this footage again, I still can;t believe he gave it not out. Forget the mark on hotspot from every different angle- At 3.24 in the video you can clearly see the ball change course after hitting the bat. I honestly don't think Llong was looking at the screen at the time this was played.

Whichever way you look at it, it was extreme incompetence.

No, wtf did you see that?

You clearly do not understand the protocols that even the arseholes at ICC say he got right.

So you also agree that it is correct for the ICC to hang an employee out to dry? Do you think it is a dangerous precedent? Why wasn't the onfield ump who also got a judgement decision wrong not also castigated? Why haven't the ICC previously criticized umpires who get judgement decisions wrong?

So many questions, so little time.

The ICC's protocol is that hotspot takes priority over snicko. Ie if there's a mark on hotspot in line with where the ball goes past, what does or doesn't show up on snicko is irrelevant, UNLESS there is nothing on hotspot, then a thin line on snicko becomes very important if it lines up with the ball going past the bat at the right time.They (correctly) said that Llong got this wrong. He gave snicko priority over everything else. Front-on hot spot showed both a mark on the bat AND the ball where it had hit the bat.

Ignoring the unedited footage of the ball changing course after hitting the bat (which Llong apparently did) as soon as he saw the front on hotspot, he should have overturned the decision. But he seemed to be concerned about the side-on hotspots which didn't actually show the ball hitting the bat (but showed a mark on both....on the same part of the bat), and snicko, which didn't register anything when the ball hit the bat AND when the ball hit Lyon's shoulder, which suggests the volume needed to be turned up.

But it was all irrelevant. One hotspot (front on) showed everything very clearly, and should have been enough evidence for Llong to overturn the decision. The umpires are told to trust the technology and not try to second guess it and speculate.

Pretty much everything that Llong could have done wrong, he did do wrong, so even the ICC has no choice but to hang him out to dry.

So every umpire who gets a judgemental decision wrong should be hung out?

taipan wrote:So every umpire who gets a judgemental decision wrong should be hung out?

No. But an umpire who's had five minutes, countless TV replays, and all the technology available to him to make a decision...but still gets it horribly wrong, leaves them with no choice.

The ICC also hung out Darryl Harper back in 2009 when he got a couple of DRS decisions badly wrong.

Henry wrote:

taipan wrote:So every umpire who gets a judgemental decision wrong should be hung out?

No. But an umpire who's had five minutes, countless TV replays, and all the technology available to him to make a decision...but still gets it horribly wrong, leaves them with no choice.

And as we said at the time some of the technology didn't show a thing. I am glad I don't work for you if you think that is the correct way to treat an employee.

taipan wrote:

Henry wrote:

taipan wrote:So every umpire who gets a judgemental decision wrong should be hung out?

No. But an umpire who's had five minutes, countless TV replays, and all the technology available to him to make a decision...but still gets it horribly wrong, leaves them with no choice.

And as we said at the time some of the technology didn't show a thing. I am glad I don't work for you if you think that is the correct way to treat an employee.

Come on. Umpires have to be accountable for their decisions. Would it be better if they just quietly sack them with no explanation to anyone?

New Zealand Cricket made an official complaint to the ICC about the decision, so the ICC was obliged to investigate and then give their views. Obviously they weren't going to say that Llong did everything exactly right.